Kyle_in_Tex
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Eddie, my dad left us when I was 8. Mean alcoholic. I was glad to see him gone. Paid no child support. Never played "pitch" with me. Be thankful for your dad, he's got your back like no one on this earth.
Dipper Stick snapped in half
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crazyal
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I was also going to suggest looking for a used dipper.
banjodunn
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G'day eddie as others have stated it is not a big prob to repair that and i agree with your father push it back and put a few good tacks on it and run it into the welding shop. Looking at the pics i would say that crack started from a tooth pushing into the bottom of the boom it looks like the seam of the boom has been pushed in for a while. Whichever way you go GOOD LUCK:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Jon
Jon
whodat526
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i would go the used boom route if you can get one for 450 a good welder will most likely cost more than that
and the one shown above will work
and the one shown above will work
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EddieWalker
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I spoke with the mechanics and parts guy at my dealer and was told that the only dipper sticks that would work on mine are the 575E and the LB75 up to the 2000 model year. Thank you Jim, but neither of those two will work for me.
They also said that they wouldn't weld it. That the weld will crack at the edge of the plating. They would only use a replacement dipper. Anything else will just crack in time and I'll be doing it all over again.
I spoke to a couple of welders at Lew's, and they said that they weld them all the time and that to make sure it doesn't crack, that they make the plate shaped like a football. This is suppose to ensure that it doesn't crack.
The welders said that they could work on it while attached, but expected it to take 3 times as long because of having to work around what is in the way. They said that I should take it off and bring it to them. Then they can get it on a table and work on it there.
I asked about a portable welder coming out and if they would recomend anybody. They wouldn't give me a name, and didn't comment on the list of names that I have. They did say that if I hired a portable welder, that he would also have to deal with everything that is in the way and at the very best, wouldn't be able to do it any faster or better then they could if working on it while still attached.
While they would do so, they really wanted it on the table to ensure that it's done the best it possibly can be done.
I'm looking for booms right now. It's muddy at my place after a storm that came through last night and dropped an inch of rain. If I can find a boom today, I will go get it. Either way, I need to take it apart. Having a guy come out here would be the easy thing, but I don't feel it's the best. The odds of getting somebody that can do it as good as Lew's will is iffy, and the odds of getting a guy who promises me that he can, but that it fails in the future is too great for me to want to take that chance. This is one of those things that I want to hire the very best that I know of, and go through the steps to make sure it's done right.
Thank you,
Eddie
They also said that they wouldn't weld it. That the weld will crack at the edge of the plating. They would only use a replacement dipper. Anything else will just crack in time and I'll be doing it all over again.
I spoke to a couple of welders at Lew's, and they said that they weld them all the time and that to make sure it doesn't crack, that they make the plate shaped like a football. This is suppose to ensure that it doesn't crack.
The welders said that they could work on it while attached, but expected it to take 3 times as long because of having to work around what is in the way. They said that I should take it off and bring it to them. Then they can get it on a table and work on it there.
I asked about a portable welder coming out and if they would recomend anybody. They wouldn't give me a name, and didn't comment on the list of names that I have. They did say that if I hired a portable welder, that he would also have to deal with everything that is in the way and at the very best, wouldn't be able to do it any faster or better then they could if working on it while still attached.
While they would do so, they really wanted it on the table to ensure that it's done the best it possibly can be done.
I'm looking for booms right now. It's muddy at my place after a storm that came through last night and dropped an inch of rain. If I can find a boom today, I will go get it. Either way, I need to take it apart. Having a guy come out here would be the easy thing, but I don't feel it's the best. The odds of getting somebody that can do it as good as Lew's will is iffy, and the odds of getting a guy who promises me that he can, but that it fails in the future is too great for me to want to take that chance. This is one of those things that I want to hire the very best that I know of, and go through the steps to make sure it's done right.
Thank you,
Eddie
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The guys you talked to sound just like me...lol!!
You do realize that if you go find a "used" boom that it may have already been run by somebodies "Dad"???
I would fix yours and be done with it.
David from jax
You do realize that if you go find a "used" boom that it may have already been run by somebodies "Dad"???
I would fix yours and be done with it.
David from jax
jinman
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Well, close but no cigar.
The rental guy told me he had discontinued buying NH TLBs because renters would slam the booms/dippers up against something and dent them. Then, his liability insurance would not cover rental on that tractor if it had a dented boom. He went to the Case TLBs because their dippers are a solid forging. So now he has these two dippers laying around. I just can't see buying both of them, but would have offered him $700 to $750 cash for both as a package deal. I know he's had the dippers for at least a year so my guess is he would be willing to deal.
BTW: Anybody else who wants a NH dipper, feel free to contact this guy. I don't foresee needing a dipper and would only buy one if I could get a very good deal.
The rental guy told me he had discontinued buying NH TLBs because renters would slam the booms/dippers up against something and dent them. Then, his liability insurance would not cover rental on that tractor if it had a dented boom. He went to the Case TLBs because their dippers are a solid forging. So now he has these two dippers laying around. I just can't see buying both of them, but would have offered him $700 to $750 cash for both as a package deal. I know he's had the dippers for at least a year so my guess is he would be willing to deal.BTW: Anybody else who wants a NH dipper, feel free to contact this guy. I don't foresee needing a dipper and would only buy one if I could get a very good deal.
LD1
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That sounds like a dealer just trying to sell you an overpriced part:confused2:
The factor boom has already been welded on(gussets, pin brackets, etc).
It always irks my the people that think welding isnt as good as new. It is just people that dont understand. Steel is welded everyday. Buildings, bridges, your trucks frame, etc.
If done properly, and it sounds like it will be at your shop, it will be stronger than it was before. If anything, it will just break in a different place. Like farther down the stick. But It wont break at that same spot again.
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Why in the heck would the dealer want you to fix it and make it better than new when he can sell you a new one and maybe take the old one off your hands since it is worthless and he just wants to help you out.
Now be a good sheep Eddie and stop thinking for yourself and just hand over the dough:laughing:
Now be a good sheep Eddie and stop thinking for yourself and just hand over the dough:laughing:
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EddieWalker
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Sorry, I wasn't clear on the dealers position. They don't have one, or I should clarify, they don't want to sell me one because they said it would cost more then the machine is worth. They have been very good at pointing out to me where I could get bearings and seals from other suppliers that are cheaper then what they can sell them to me because of the bundling that goes into buying a set of seals. They go to this same source for repairs to save their clients money on parts because they don't make enough profit on parts to justify making a customer angry and not wanting to use them again. They do not want to sell me a dipper stick, or have a suggestion on where to go to get a used one. They just suggested that I buy a used one in good condition over having it welded becasue they said that the weld itself will become the week point once repaird. The old break will never break again after welded up, but the edge of the plate to reinforce the repair is where I will have problems.
Lew's, the welder, said that this is true if they did it straight. They will cut the plate to a football shape and fit it to the existing bracing to make it stronger and not become a new place for the weld to crack. He said the shape and the size of the plate is what will either make it work, or cause it to fail.
Eddie
Lew's, the welder, said that this is true if they did it straight. They will cut the plate to a football shape and fit it to the existing bracing to make it stronger and not become a new place for the weld to crack. He said the shape and the size of the plate is what will either make it work, or cause it to fail.
Eddie