Direction of flow from diverter valve

   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #61  
Do you know how to stay out of regen mode on this tractor? I for sure do not.

Unfortunately I have never even operated any Kubota at all, I can not help you with your regen operation. Once you are over the frustration, need to try this again,because there is no reason that it can't be operated in the fashion that you want. Especially because you really want to be micro operating the grapple with the curl up circuit and regen should not be in the picture at all when your loader joystick is pulled to the left towards you. This should not be a problem.

I truly believe that it is all in the way that the hoses are all connected together.

Maybe we can tackle this this coming weekend?
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve
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#62  
I don't understand why you need to clamp more when curling up?

I have two different style grapples and once it is clamped, it won't go any farther down.

I can get a bigger bite by coming straight down, tighten, lift/curl, tighten.

I've also notice, I don't think I have as much force tightening with this setup as I did with the other plumbed to the rear remotes.

Part of this .... that was the first time I used, although I did stack a LOT of stuff, worked 1/2 day on it, and technique will probably get better.
 
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#63  
Unfortunately I have never even operated any Kubota at all, I can not help you with your regen operation. Once you are over the frustration, need to try this again,because there is no reason that it can't be operated in the fashion that you want. Especially because you really want to be micro operating the grapple with the curl up circuit and regen should not be in the picture at all when your loader joystick is pulled to the left towards you. This should not be a problem.

I truly believe that it is all in the way that the hoses are all connected together.

Maybe we can tackle this this coming weekend?


I'm not convinced of that. I actually can't see any other way for it to plumb in.
Researching regen, and it appears many have ran into this issue, and from that, I'm of the belief it is the problem, but don't fully understand it either. It's usable, but a little disappointing.
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #64  
Another question, you are coming down over the top of your brush piles. Why can't you fully clamp in that position? :confused: I don't understand why you need to curl, clamp, curl, clamp. Just a question, although I have and use my grapple, it is in no way one of my often go to attachments. ;)
 
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#65  
The ground keeps you from tighten all the way. I use that method on brush piles, not trees, maybe even lifting the tractor, so you are compressing the brush at the same time. As it breaks/compresses, gets stuck together better, you need to tighten. Larger trees/brush I did not come from the top though, but typically the L of the grapple was vertical pushing the tree/brush before any clamping of it.

When in Texas, I was debrushing 126 acres. I had brush fires burning for weeks. And many times I wanted the biggest bite of whatever I could get. I sold the place and there was still many piles there.
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #66  
JC, I sense your frustration in dealing with this, and trying to understand why your grapple is not working they way you'd like. I hope I can break everything down and put it in simple terms for you to try to help...


I put an atv winch switch onto the fel handle works fairly well, but I found the grapple would open as I curled up, and close when I curled down. I want the opposite of that,

Generally that is considered the normal operation, curl up=grapple up and curl down/dump=grapple down. Most diverter setups are plumbed this way I think, it seems more fluid and natural.



I want the opposite of that, so I can curl up with a load and also tighten the hold as I curl up by off and on with the button.

As mentioned already, the diverter should not be switched while the joystick is in motion, or any other position other than neutral-period. The diverter is a "either/or" selector and should NOT be switched under pressure. That may or may not be what you envisioned/planned/hoped for when you installed it, but that is the way its supposed to work so if you can't get used to that then maybe the diverter is not for you and you should consider a true 3rd function solenoid valve setup. I am sure Brian has one that he could set up with, and while they are not as simple to install as a diverter, it may be worth it to you in the long run.



SO....I switch the lines from the diverter valve going to the grapple, at the outputs on the grapple. Tested, and grapple wouldn't close or open???? Confused by this. Since it didn't work, what did I do wrong and how do I adjust.

First, I DO think you have it plumbed correctly, but I also think that regen is what is messing you up when switching the hoses and not air in the system or bad wiring as has been suggested.

In the post I linked earlier (post #29) from Kubmech, he describes how regen works, and the part of that that is messing you up is this:
The dump function of the loader control valve applies hyd. "power" to both sides of the bucket cylinders at the same time.
Now, since when closing the grapple using the "dump" side of the valve, it has a mechanical advantage/leverage/weight to overcome the whole "pressure on both sides" thing it closes just fine, the same way you bucket does.

When you switched the hoses, both sides of the cylinder are getting pressurized when your trying to open the grapple, and since the mechanical advantage/leverage/weight is now working against you the grapple just 'locks up" the same way Kubmech describes a snowplow will lock up since there is no weight to help overcome the volume/psi issue in the cylinder.

Now, you asked repeatedly:
"Do you know how to stay out of regen mode on this tractor? I for sure do not."
I really wish I could help you with that, I was under the impression that "most" Kubota's the regen was on the first part of the joystick travel (like others have suggested) and that you have to push through that to get into the non-regen portion of the valve, but it seems you've tried all that to no avail.

I can only suggest that you either get used to whats considered "normal" operation (curl up=grapple up and curl down/dump=grapple down) and only switching the diverter when the joystick is in neutral, or change your diverter over to true 3rd function solenoid valve.

I hope this helps some...:thumbsup:
 
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#67  
Thanks KennyD....you got it sized up real good.

When in Texas with same model tractor and grapple and a cow/calf operation on 126 acres....if I had this situation then, I would go to a true 3rd function setup rather than the diverter, now that I see how it works. But now, not so sure. I had major reasons for the grapple use then, but now retired on 36 acres, and what I want to do with it is more a 'looks' thing versus a need to. I do have a pretty good size pile of things already though, and will be doing more today.

I need to use it more, see if I can get use to it. My frustration is more at the lack of understanding originally, and everyone initially saying switch the hose...which I did before I even posted here. I may get with Brain to see what would be involved with getting the 3rd function now that I have this already setup....but for now...I'm using...until the heat builds. I'm old and don't like the heat. Remember I'm retired. :)
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #68  
Here is your hyd specs.

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Capacity: 10.6 gal [40.1 L]
Pressure: 2770 psi [191.0 bar]
Valves: 1 to 3
Pump flow: 11 gpm [41.6 lpm]
Total flow: 17.2 gpm [65.1 lpm]
Steering flow: 6.1 gpm [23.1 lpm]

Here is a simple setup for true 3rd function.

True 3rd function valve.

12 VDC 10 GPM OC DA SOLENOID VALVE

1 STATION DO3 SUBPLATE OPEN CENTER


http://www.surpluscenter.com/_MoreSpecs/w9-6136.pdf

With this setup, you can use the FEL, and 3rd valves at the same time.

You only use part lever on the FEL valve and let some fluid through the PB to the 3rd valve.

Stay out of regen.
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #69  
Just read through this thread. Can't help, but I sure hope you guys can get this sorted out soon, the suspense is killing me! :eek: Good luck, JC.
 
   / Direction of flow from diverter valve #70  
jcummins,

Have you tried to connect the grapple directly to the FEL curl ports, and did you reverse the hoses on the cyl?
 

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