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From my experience, I would use the tiller to make a nice soft work area and have a small dozer with a good operator come in and do it all in short order. You'll get a beautiful job for very little money and will be more satisfied with the long term result. There is a big learning curve to using small implements and until you gain experience and smaller tools will not always do what we want. Once your grass is in, fixing those errors is a big event because it all has to be torn up again.

I get to fix landscape issues like this and most agree they should have brought in a tiller and bulldozer early on. You already have the tiller. Just my two cents here.
 
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Thanks for your comment sixdog, I appreciate it, but with all due respect, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of having a tractor/loader and landscaping equipment, if I hire someone to bring in equipment to do the work for me. I realize it takes time and skill to use some of this equipment to get a nice finish but time in the tractor seat for me is my happy place.
 
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Thanks for your comment sixdog, I appreciate it, but with all due respect, doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of having a tractor/loader and landscaping equipment, if I hire someone to bring in equipment to do the work for me. I realize it takes time and skill to use some of this equipment to get a nice finish but time in the tractor seat for me is my happy place.

Only use the dozer for the heavy lifting. You need a tiller for the prep work, a landscape (rock) rake for the post dozer grade finish and seed prep and then a packer and seeder. So you'll spend most of the time on the job getting the finish the way you want it. I use my stuff for everything but moving large amounts of dirt is almost beyond the scope of lighter equipment. A dozer has the mass to move the dirt over a long stretch and put it in the right place while smaller equipment will cause the dirt to hump up and wind up where you don't want it. Plus, the dirt will or could be packed inconsistent and that could cause it to settle that way and not remain smooth.

The fact of my own life is I did NOT hire out to a dozer years ago when we built and have been spending a great deal of effort since then trying to fix my own problem. For one area, I've now decided to chisel plow it, rototill it smooth and bring a dozer in to push it around. Then I'll be back for the finish grade and prep. That uses enough of my equipment to keep me happy and yet I will have a good job. What especially makes the dozer work is the soft, tilled dirt that has been prepped first.

When I correct someone else's issues like this, it is common for people to stop and take pictures during the work and when the grass starts coming in. I get many positive comments and lots of "maybe you can fix my place" invites. Mostly, I can't because the trees have grown and other obstacles are in the way.


Now, you can do this yourself but there is a multi-year learning curve that involves learning through error. You could do it yourself but it's hard to get that long heavy sweep that a dozer can do. There is plenty for our equipment to do and I look for every way I can. In fact, most of my equipment has been "free" by my not paying to hire out many jobs. I'm just reluctant on grading and swales because of what I have seen with landscaping on new property and dozers. If you do it yourself, however, count me in on doing all I can for whatever advice you may ask to do a good job with your equipment. Call me a team player. :)
 
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Only use the dozer for the heavy lifting. You need a tiller for the prep work, a landscape (rock) rake for the post dozer grade finish and seed prep and then a packer and seeder. So you'll spend most of the time on the job getting the finish the way you want it. I use my stuff for everything but moving large amounts of dirt is almost beyond the scope of lighter equipment. A dozer has the mass to move the dirt over a long stretch and put it in the right place while smaller equipment will cause the dirt to hump up and wind up where you don't want it. Plus, the dirt will or could be packed inconsistent and that could cause it to settle that way and not remain smooth.

The fact of my own life is I did NOT hire out to a dozer years ago when we built and have been spending a great deal of effort since then trying to fix my own problem. For one area, I've now decided to chisel plow it, rototill it smooth and bring a dozer in to push it around. Then I'll be back for the finish grade and prep. That uses enough of my equipment to keep me happy and yet I will have a good job. What especially makes the dozer work is the soft, tilled dirt that has been prepped first.

When I correct someone else's issues like this, it is common for people to stop and take pictures during the work and when the grass starts coming in. I get many positive comments and lots of "maybe you can fix my place" invites. Mostly, I can't because the trees have grown and other obstacles are in the way.


Now, you can do this yourself but there is a multi-year learning curve that involves learning through error. You could do it yourself but it's hard to get that long heavy sweep that a dozer can do. There is plenty for our equipment to do and I look for every way I can. In fact, most of my equipment has been "free" by my not paying to hire out many jobs. I'm just reluctant on grading and swales because of what I have seen with landscaping on new property and dozers. If you do it yourself, however, count me in on doing all I can for whatever advice you may ask to do a good job with your equipment. Call me a team player. :)

I disagree with this assessment, but only because I am all about doing as much as a person can for themselves.

Last year i had a contractor come in and give me a quote on what it would cost to build that road in this thread, and it came back at $7000. I was shocked as the gravel came from my own pit. Then I realized I had the gravel, I just needed to move it, but all I have is a 1 cubic yard dumpbox and I needed 350 cubic yards of gravel for surfacing. That is easy math; 350 trips!

I can't do that!

Or can I?

If I used my tractor to load the dumpbox with 1 cubic yard of gravel, and my wife hauled it into place with our Ford Explorer, and we did 10 loads every day, in 35 days...just over a month we would be done. And that is just what we did. Some days we did 60 yards, and some days we did none, but in a month it was done. It was never a big job, it just seemed like one because I was looking at the whole job, and not talking it one step at a time.

Why PAY someone to do something you can do yourself, and have fun doing it?
 
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I am definately a DIY guy myself. I am 50 yrs old and I can count on one hand the times that I have hired someone to do work for me and that includes any fixing or maintenance on any of my vehicles, automotive and recreational. Two of those times I did hire someone was to mud and tape the drywall in my house a my garage. I found out the hard way that I hate mudding and taping. When I did a comlpete renovation of my house I even designed and built my own kitchen cabinets and countertops from scratch. Saved myself $10,000 just on the kitchen cabinets and I have a whole bunch of cool tools now because of it. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or not because sometimes things are alot more work than it looks like, but I get extreme satisfaction from doing stuff myself. I blame this mind set on a good freind of mine of which I worked with for 7 years. He tought me that there is no such thing as "I can't" and with a little time , patience and practice you can almost do anything. Some stuff may take longer to do than someone who does it for a living but for me it's the adventure of the learning that I love. It's just not in me to pay someone my hard earned money to do something that I know I can do.
Sixdogs, you make some great points and I do agree with you that there are times you should leave things to the professionals and the more experienced. Thats why I hired the mudders. But a bit of quality seat time on the tractor doing some landscaping is a fun and easy task compared to some of the projects I have taken on.
The area that I will be working isn't that big at all. Front area is about 30 x 50 yards and the back is slightly bigger so it's just a bit of removing material here, adding some there. Some leveling here and some grading there.
 
 

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