DK55 and KL1595 Loader

[KiotiJohn]

Buddy, I copied your post to e-mail and sent it to someone at Daedong in S. Korea. At least someone over there will see what's going on here.
They know about the problems with various loaders. They're made by KMW in Kansas. I wish THEY would get on the stick and fix these problems. You might consider writing to them to see if they can offer any information on a fix.
KMW Ltd.
535 West Garfield
P.O. Box 327
Sterling, KS 67579-0327
USA
Telephone: (620) 278-3641
Fax: (620) 278-2388
Email: inquiry@kmwloaders.com
John

 

[ocaj11]

RedDog,

Yes, I tried the loader functions out before I bought the tractor. My nearest Kioti dealer is 100 miles away. It's not like he can bring it out to the farm for a few days of test driving. But, even if he could/would, the cylinders on these loaders are junk and not designed well. It should not be my responsibility to determine if every component of the tractor was designed properly. You expect the manufacturer to figure that out before they start shipping the units. In addition, a purchase of a Kioti tractor should not be "buyer beware".

John,

I appreciate the info for the loader manufacturer. I'll send them my complaints as well. The dealer told me that KMW told him that Kioti ordered the cylinders that way. Whether right or wrong, they are pointing the finger to Kioti where the ultimate responsibility lies.

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

John, I have talked and exchanged email with the president's secretary about the 1595 Loader roll back problem. The president gave it to an engineer and I was assured it would be fixed, in a few weeks. That was around the first of 2005 or around the time I exchanged private mail with you on the problem. I can't understand Kioti not going ahead and recalling these defective 1595 loaders, except maybe for the sheer numbers involved! The DK55C and Dk55 have been very good sellers for Kioti and the Tractors are great but whoever contracted with Kansas Machine Works for the workup on the 1595 loader should have used one of them after it was mated with the tractor. I am sure if Kioti had made them they would have tested them before selling them all over North America. This problem is going to get into some pocket-books, be it Kioti or KMW, as the number of 1595 loaders made and sold is high. I bet mine gets fixed or bought back soon! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

REDDOG-----My dealer did not have any in stock so I had to buy and wait for him to go to NC to pick the DK55C and 1595 Loader up!

 

[depratt_equip]

I don't know if it is an isolated problem with the 1595 loaders or not. We have not seen nor had one complaint about the KL1595 loader. Customers that do have them have been using them extensively. One in a landfill and several others on there farms. I just recently spoke with them and asked them how the tractor and loader was doing and they had nothing bad to speak of about either.

I have heard of several breaking, and Kioti has replaced them. Not quite sure if it was customer imporper usage or not. On the flip side I have also seen other brands of loaders fail, mostly from improper usage. Not saying this is your case at all though. Not quite sure why Kioti hasn't done anything about yours, but hopefully someone will read KiotiJohns email and get you patched back up. I would make sure your dealer stays on top of Kioti and gets an answer.

 

[RedDog]

I wonder if the cylinders on the 1730 loader would fit 1595 loader? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Probably not, I'm sure a dealer would have tried that.


RedDog

 

[psuedofarmer]

have a DK55c w/ the KL1595 loader - nearly 300 hrs on the machine in 8 months. usage includes logging, field reclamation, moving HUGE piles of dirt and granite.

have not had the problems with the FEL reported by members of the forum.. having said that, it's also possible that my expectations are skewed because this is my first tractor with a FEL, so perhaps i'm not keen on the expectations of what the loader can do/not do. i'll post pics of the loader carrying maple trees that are 18 ft long and 5 feet wide with no adverse affects.

it's possible that some (and not all) cylinders used by Kioti for the FEL are sub-par. the dealers are the first line of defense, and IMHO, are always willing to do what it takes to keep the customer happy. having said that, it behooves Kioti to listen to the dealers, and their customers.

and as someone pointed out, this forum (along with the Internet in general) is a prime marketing tool. it was instrumental in the decision to purchase the DK55c over the L5030.

my $.02.

pf

 

[ocaj11]

My loader still works as it was designed, the problem is the lift/curl cylinder.

Take a look at the lift/curl cylinders. About 8/10 inches up from the bucket side, you will see a weld bead. That weld is where the cylinder shaft stops, so you have a very, very short cylinder shaft. That short cylinder is the entire problem in my opinion. I've used tractors with front end loaders for 20+ years and I've never encountered a FEL with such a low roll back angle. On my loader, and I'm sure on the others, the dump angle is more than enough with the bottom of the bucket approachig a 90 degree angle with the ground. On the other hand, the bottom of the bucket when the loader is curled probably approaches a 25 degree angle. This allows me to get about 1/2 bucket full of material and I lose some of that 1/2 in transit.

As for the up/down lift capacity, I have no issues with that aspect. I haven't tied off to something really heavy and tried, but I'm sure it's stout according to the specs.

The break out force of the loader curl seems to be week to me. This could be perception because I haven't used it for a bunch of dirt work, just enough to know that it' not right.

 

[psuedofarmer]

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i see your point more clearly now.. (helps to be sitting in the tractor as i write this, moving 20 yards of dirt). as you pointed out, it's a design worthy of further engineering. perhaps the folks @ kioti are reading this..

if i had more experience working with FELs i would find a few things that should be changed, this may be one of them.

pf

 

[KiotiJohn]

It's strange to me that there would be any reluctance on Kioti's part to do something in this case as they have been excellent in solving all the problems of which I'm aware, and that's a good number. They have taken care of most things in a pretty fast manner except once when they had lost some longer term techs and had a lot of newbies in. Other than that, they've stood behind the dealers and customers pretty well, albeit at times dealers have had to wait a while for an answer. With 250 dealers to support, I can see why it may take time for an answer sometimes, but this has gone on for a while.
I'm also surprised that it's the 1595 as only a couple of people have contacted me about problems with this one. A few other models have left a lot to be desired in the rollback angle and power, but not the 1595.
I'm confident something good will occur as I know the good workers at Kioti want things to go well. John