DK55 and KL1595 Loader

[Dk45_Jeff]

LakeLanierBuddy,

Your wrong on the 1590 self leveling performance, or at least on the one attached to my tractor. When using the pallet forks its very clear the loader keeps the angle set while raising or lowering the load. Its more difficult to see the effect with the bucket, but it works the same way. Self leveling is a poor choice of words, it should be called constant angling, but the feature works exactly as my manual describes. Improving the 1590 rollback would be nice, but its far from useless as it is.

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

Jeff: My loader holds the angle too, with the bucket this angle is suppose to be "level" so material stays in the bucket. The 1595 loader does not roll back far enough to attain the "level" that is required to function as a self-leveler!

 

[KiotiJohn]

I think the quick attach being on the loader increases the problem. Buddy, do you have that QA on yours? I know it changes the architecture enough to be a problem with that setup.
John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

Yep, I have the QA! I think it does too! I talked to Kioti again today. All they would say is President is in Korea, will be back sometime next week. Also, contacted KMW for the first time via email and phone. Talked to a fellow who transfered me to the voice mail of a manager "Jermemy", about the problem. I have not heard anything from KMW as of now. I still have hope! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yep, I have the QA! I think it does too! I talked to Kioti again today. All they would say is President is in Korea, will be back sometime next week. Also, contacted KMW for the first time via email and phone. Talked to a fellow who transfered me to the voice mail of a manager "Jermemy", about the problem. I have not heard anything from KMW as of now. I still have hope! )</font>
There are, as we speak, people in Korea looking at this problem. I've sent them enough posts so that there's no question they're aware that people are unhappy about this situation. We'll see.
John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

Great! I hope they can read english better than I can Korean! I told Kioti today it would be in their best interest to assign someone to read TBN in an effort to reduce problems Kioti customers have with Kioti tractors. I elect you! Now I just need to get you a salary! Thanks keep on TBNing! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Dk45_Jeff]

LakeLanierBuddy,

I don't know what the 1595 manual says, but the 1590 manual does not claim self leveling will level the bucket. It states the bucket's angle will stay at the set angle as the load is raised or lowered. If the self level feature worked as you described pallet forks would be useless since they would be pulled too far back dumping the contents with loose items. I understand your desire for more rollback, stuff could be heaped higher in the bucket. I'm just saying the 1590 works as specified, at least mine does. And while more rollback would be nice the 1590 works is very usable in the current configuration.

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't know what the 1595 manual says, but the 1590 manual does not claim self leveling will level the bucket. It states the bucket's angle will stay at the set angle as the load is raised or lowered. )</font>
You're exactly right Jeff. The angle must be maintained as the loader comes up with forks on it. The loader will hold that angle and adjust itself to maintain that load angle. If you roll the bucket back all the way, it will be maintained at that angle all the way up, right? If you lowered the bucket angle half way to dump, it would maintain it in that position. You would notice that the bucket is actually slightly changing position as the loader arms come up. Is this about right on yours Jeff?
John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

I don't think you understand! The bucket or Pallet forks are to remain at the same angle as you raise the loader. Pallet forks need to remain level with little or no roll back while using the bucket in sand or whatever needs to roll back to a "level bucket" condtion to hold the material while moving the tractor. Review all of the above post, including psuedofarmer who has a 1590 and explains the lack of rollback as it relates to his use of the 1590. The sales information has the "self-leveling" statement not the owners manual. These loaders are identified as "self leveling", by industry standards and as claimed by Kioti!

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

Jeff, I just checked the Kioti site spec's on your 1590 Loader. It has 3 more degrees of roll back (31 on the 1590 vs. 28 degrees on the 1595) I have just today had 3 owners of 1590 PM wanting to be added to the list of unhappy loader owners. Rather than debate the issue, I say use it in a sand pile for a year, try to load the bucket full and carry it across your property, and then you will understand. Plus, remember the 1595 has three degrees less than your 1590 loader of roll back on the bucket, making it that much woorse! Kioti is trying to fix it, they say!

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Plus, remember the 1595 has three degrees less than your 1590 loader of roll back on the bucket, making it that much woorse! Kioti is trying to fix it, they say! )</font>
add to that what you lose by having the quick attach plate on as well. The rollback should probably be closer to 35 degrees. John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

UPDATE KIOTI CALLED LATE TODAY ! The president's executive secretary called late today (Anna). She said that the president was on a conference call conversation from Korea and that he was talking to KMW about the fix for the 1595's lack of roll-back angle. She told me that Kioti would absolutely be coming up with a fix for these loaders. She also said she will call me back when the president returns from Korea with his results from disscussions with KMW! I think now that all of the slow action on this problem has been KMW all the time. Kioti should force action by KMW or give the business to another loader maker. On another note KMW failed to return calls and email as of press time! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif <font color="red"> </font>

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( UPDATE KIOTI CALLED LATE TODAY ! The president's executive secretary called late today (Anna). She said that the president was on a conference call conversation from Korea and that he was talking to KMW about the fix for the 1595's lack of roll-back angle. )</font>
I received an e-mail today from my contact at Daedong in S. Korea. He had forwarded all of the posts I copied to him to Kioti's US president. They seem to have gotten right on it.
I agree that it's KMW who has not been forthcoming on this project. They make loaders for a lot of different MFGs and some are much larger than Kioti so they get preference. I think there is some talk about changing to another loader maker. I just hope it gets done quickly, and that the new company is more responsive to problems.
It has been my experience, and that of many others, that Daedong USA, aka Kioti, is willing to go the extra mile to make everything right. They truly want to make improvements to their products, and make sure they have happy customers.
At a dealer meeting last year, they queried the dealers about what they want to see, products to develop, etc. They rely on feedback to know what's expected, and they're willing to listen and act.
I know for a fact that they've made a lot of changes in just the last two years as a response to problems reported to them by dealers. Just look at the new cup holder on the CK20s!! Someone told them it needed one, so they made one. That's just a silly example, but it demonstrates their desire to do the right things to make a great product.
John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

John, I have no doubt that if Kioti had built this loader that it would have been as great as their tractors. I have no complaints about the Master of the farm, the DK55Cab! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( John, I have no doubt that if Kioti had built this loader that it would have been as great as their tractors. I have no complaints about the Master of the farm, the DK55Cab! )</font>
I know, isn't it awesome? Every time I go out to my dealer's I drool over the DK45, 55 and the DK65S Cab he has on the lot.
I've tried out all of them, and love them all. I just wish I had a real need for the big guys, but I'd have to buy some many things to go with them, and a new trailer, and a new tow vehicle. Darn.
John

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

John, I may trade for the DK65S just to get the 1731 loader. That picture of the 1731 loader on the rops DK65 on the Kioti site, has a level bucket and a full bucket!

 

[tallur4me]

Put a bale spike on the quick attach and then stab a 5 x 6 round bale and when you go over a hump and head down hill see how long the round bale stays on the spike! NOT ENOUGH ROLL BACK for the big round bale job on my 1590 FEL.
Also lose dirt from the bucket when lifted above approx. 18" ; especially downhill. I suspect it would work well with a pallet fork. I also find my roll back strength is weak in comparsion to the case loader I used on my previous tractor.
J D

 

[Dk45_Jeff]

KiotiJohn,

Yes, that is exactly what my loader does, it keeps the item (bucket or forks) attached to the quick attach plate at a constant angle as the loader moves up and down. I choose what that angle with the loader's rollback/dump control (i.e. pushing left or right with the joystick). I also agree with you, the bucket looses some rollback angle when its stuck on the quick attach plate. Like I said before more rollback would be nice, but it works well as it is.


LakeLanierBuddy,

I think I do understand how to use my pallet forks. I don't always want my forks level with the ground, some loads must be rolled back slightly so they rest on the fork frame. When I'm moving things like brush I roll them back all the way to trap the brush between the forks and the frame.

My comments are limited to the 1590, I have no experience with the 1595 and defer to you and others on that loader. But I have moved 32 tons of #8 gravel and 8 yards of mulch since I've bought the tractor so I think I have enough experience to comment on how it handles loose materials. In short it could be better, but it does work as advertised.

Good luck with the 1595 issue, maybe Kioti will make you happy.

 

[LakeLanierBuddy]

Jeff, I did not mean you don't understand how to use your pallet forks. I meant , I don't think you understand the problems that many LONG time users of the 1590 and 1595 have outlined above with the use of a bucket, or bale spear. Kioti does understand the problem and plans to take care of all that are unhappy with the rollback. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[gmol]

Just scoop a bucket load of anything with the 1595 and then head down hill and see how much you end up with. Add to that loader pallet forks and you end up with an embarassing , underwhelming tool. I guess my dealer must have really gone to bat for me last year. I heard all of this stufff from Kioti last year and they still have no answers? denial ?