DK55 and KL1595 Loader

KiotiJohn · Apr 5, 2005

The reply I received from Daedong in S. Korea states that the problem is in the bucket pin hole and the bucket pivot hole. The distance is 5" and should be 7".
According to my source, the new KL 1595 loader has already been modified by KMW to solve this problem.
It is not certain, but it appears KMW is attempting to create a fix for the older loaders with increased bucket cylinder size and leverage. Making that work on a self-leveling loader as a retrofit may be the time problem.
I'll let you know anything more that I can discover.
John

LakeLanierBuddy · Apr 5, 2005

Thanks, John

DK35vince · Apr 5, 2005

( The reply I received from Daedong in S. Korea states that the problem is in the bucket pin hole and the bucket pivot hole. The distance is 5" and should be 7". )

Exactly
I've been saying that for some time now. I changed my pin distance to 8" myself a year ago on my 1450 loader. It made a differance in my roll back power..

psuedofarmer · Apr 7, 2005

Sounds like the 1590 and 1595 have the same issues. I didn't go into all the problems, but dirt falling out of the bucket when lifting over 18" was what I was referring to in an earlier post. When you are running on uneven terrain, you don't want to leave the bucket low to the ground because it nose dives.


i understand this issue clearly now - drove the neighbors NH yesterday and did some FEL work. the rollback made it easier to keep more dirt in the bucket..

please keep the forum updated with any news from Kioti corporate or your dealer.

i would like to have a fix for this issue.

pf

kodiac · Apr 13, 2005

Add myself (DK45 KL1590 selfleveling) and a friend (DK55c KL1595) as being VERY unhappy with the rollback angle/load carring capacity and the VERY poor power (rollback) on these loaders! Like all of you I hope a fair solution from Kioti is provided. I am wondering since several have mentioned the cylinders being part of the problem, will new/modified brackets be enough to solve this problem? Should the cylinders be replaced as well?

Dave

ocaj11 · Apr 13, 2005

Kodiac,

LakeLanierBuddy has been petitioning Kioti for a solution for over a year. I sent him a personal email with my information and told him that I was interested in being part of a potential lawsuit if Kioti doesn't provide a solution for us soon. You should send him a PM as well for him to add to his growing list. His PM address is listed in a previous response.

I received one response to an email to Kioti Customer Service, but could not get clarification to a few points with my second email. So far, I'm not convinced that they are going to give us a solution without a fight.

Keith

gmol · Apr 13, 2005

Well guys if anyone actaully reads my posts it will be noticed that Kioti did exchange my 1595 loader for a Woods. Once again if you read this perhaps some one will notice a precident has been set ! Once again the problem is with the hole spacing at the bucket and not necesarliy cylinder strenght. Best of luck all, G

ocaj11 · Apr 13, 2005

gmol,

Thanks for the reply. I did read your post and talked to my dealer about it and sent Kioti an email. So far, nothing has progressed. Who did you speak with at Kioti?? I don't know where to go from here. Buddy hasn't had any luck getting his loader replaced either. If I knew who to contact, I certainly would do that.

I have studied the hole placement and definitely think that is one of the problems with the loaders. I'm not a mechanical design guy, but I don't see how changing the hole spacing will improve rollback angle without negatively impacting dump angle with such a short cylinder shaft. I can certainly see how it would increase the rollback power, but I can't see it solving the angle problems. My dealer actually removed the top bracket and pinned the loader shaft directly to the bucket. That completely solved the roll back angle problem. Happy customer until he noticed that the cylinder shaft was now too short to provide adequate dump angle /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.

It could be that different hole spacing is the entire answer. If that is the case, it should be simple for Kioti to issue the fix.

depratt_equip · Apr 13, 2005

As my post above stated

( KMW is working on a new linkage and cylinder combination to increase the roll back power and angle. )

This loaders are complex and aren't quite as easy as just different holes and mounting locations. In short these loaders do exactly what the specs say they will do, but many do not feel this is adequate. The specs are not misleading or say they will do something they won't. KMW & Kioti know that many customers don't feel these loaders are adequate, even though they meet the specs, so they are working on a fix in the way of a cylinder / linkage combo for these customers.

LakeLanierBuddy · Apr 14, 2005

Jon, I really don't think they do what the spec's say. When someone buys a 55hp tractor with loader they expect to be able to use the loader to actually load and move dirt, gravel, logs, sand etc.....; rather than have only the use of a third of their respective buckets. These loaders do not perform as expected when but up against other tractor manufactures loader performance. I understand self-leveling to be level. These loaders do not self level, they do not roll the bucket back to a level state. The idea is once the operator levels his load of sand, that the bucket is suppose to hold this angle without correction, until the operator raises this load up to whatever level needed to dump such as in a dump truck. The only loader I have found that Kioti sells that comes close to this is on the DK65's and it is the 1731. Kioti should be sending letters to all owners of these defective 1590,1595 loaders stating that they are going to fix them with whatever it takes. They have been and are continuing to avoid direct liability for these loaders, but I did not buy mine from KMW. I have sent two letters directly to the president of Kioti, neither have been responded too. I have been complaining for well over a year for warranty help on my half working loader without anything but Kioti saying we are working on a "fix". Helicopters are complex, loaders are simple lifting hydraulics that full time engineers and whole companies (KMW) should be able to fix. Sorry for the disagreement, but time and my growing list of unhappy people tell the story. It is past time for Kioti to fix these loaders or stop selling them. coptermd47@bellsouth.net