Do you cary a weapon on your tractor?

   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #141  
Morning Doug,

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I can along with that.

I'm just not so sure we're that close or far apart.

I get the impression yours is based upon personal initiative. I'd say my position involves less initiative and more of "you are what you are".
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #142  
W.W.W. (typing impaired this morning),

Now you are getting close to my own reasoning. I would indeed like to take a fair proportion of the driving public off the roads. I also don't trust some of those same idiots with guns. The argument for their right to get from point a to point b may or may not be easier to defend than their right to carry a gun; is there an ammendment that covers transportation? Or maybe we could say that bearing arms and being born by a deadly weapon are the same thing, so the 2nd covers the dipsquat driving the Espalade yesterday who was talking on his cell phone while he simultaneously nearly ran me off the shoulder?

So, did you cut your willows with a finishing mower? I'm afraid to look at the belt in my RFM. I bet I slicked it up some, but I was getting tired of having a deer motel so close to what's left of my garden. I decided feeding them was enough. They could go elsewhere for their housing.

Chuck
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #143  
Morning Chuck,

One of the problems with handguns for me is they short circuit our natural thinking process when problem solving.

Without a handgun there has to be some negotiation and a little creativity in solving the problem at hand. This can be as simple a situation as just getting along or even feeling a need to.

Of course this is the same glitch I have with the movie and tv mentality I see. That is the problem character always dies unless greed is at the heart of the producers suffering from sequelitis/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif. A death simplifies everything from building the plot to explain motivation to providing a simple conclusion.

It's much harder to come up with a plot that's just as complicated with all the emotional zip needed to keep a reader viewer. Much less an ending that's like real life with only temporary resolution of situations.

But then we are the victims of ourselves. We want good food without preparing. We want work without it challenging us. And we want community without having to be involved.
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #144  
brushoggin' is the onlyiest way to go .... they didn't get bad last year so I didn't mow that section .... this year - already - some were well over 8 feet tall ... wife gets upset at me for botherin' (since that ground really belongs to the cell tower people) but I remember how hard it was to reclaim my pasture in Alberta after the willows went wild. No brush = no ticks, fewest nesting places for skunks, coons, and other vermin I'd just as soon not have close to the place.

OK ... I'll vote against dipsticks in Caddy Escalades. Especially those who talk on cell phones.
I certainly wish that we could pay the people that test drivers and issue licences per their value .... meaning that - based on a lot of drivers on the road - they'd be paying us!

Hey ... does this mean that I agree with a liberal on something? Gasp? I'll lose my libertarian rights if this gets out.
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #145  
"One of the problems with handguns for me is they short circuit our natural thinking process when problem solving.
Without a handgun there has to be some negotiation and a little creativity in solving the problem at hand."


If I'm interpreting wrought'n harv's post correctly, he's saying carrying a gun implies use and circumvents "negotiation".

I don't think there's any statistics (governmental or otherwise) that would even come close to backing up this opinion.
CCW holders don't shoot their way out of confrontations unless they want to go to jail for murder or manslaughter. They retreat...using the gun is a last resort if they or others are in imminent danger. Now, how each state defines "iminent danger" and "self defense" is important. In Pennsylvania, one must retreat if at all possible (except in your home...but even there, the use of a gun must be a last resort). I'm not sure if a criminal would be open to "negotiation" and if harv's idea "creativity" in settling a crime means lying back and enjoying a rape (the old saw "If you're going to be raped, you may as well settle back and enjoy it") isn't a viable option for most folks, I think.

Prior to the implementation of "shall issue" permits (prior to that and still in some state, issance was "discretionary"...basically, one had to be a "VIP" or crony of the issuing authority), the media and anti-rights folks were quite vocal on how CCW would lead to a "Wild West" environment...the number of deaths related to gun violence would increase. None of this has come to pass, of course. If it had, the liberal media would have gone on a feeding frenzy...we all know that. As mentioned in an earlier post, there have been some abuse of CCW (poor judgement, mostly...still lead to criminal charges though...I recall one case in Philedephia involving two idiots fighting over a snow shoveled parking spot...no idea how it turned out though). But these abuses are a minuscule percentage of CCW holders (I believe there are ~500,000 in PA).
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #146  
Wingnut,

Don't be too concerned about agreeing on an occasional subject with this "liberal" at least. As was pointed out in another comment, my views on various issues don't necessarilly toe any particular party line.

I should have used a brush hog instead of my BH RFM, but I don't have one, and if I can keep up with my plans for my property, I may never need one. The heavy spring rains and a few other complications kept me from cutting this little piece. In addition to deer, the ticks and chiggers do really like the tall stuff, and me, and my 82 year old mom, who likes to walk around, is coming to visit, so I wanted to knock it down. I have found that if I go over it again, it comes out looking decent, with lots of finely chopped hay spread around. I'm actually pretty impressed with my Bush Hog ATF finishing mower; it seems to be designed to mulch. However, I think I'm asking a bit much of it and will probably have to replace the belt earlier than I might have had to.

Chuck
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #147  
I disagree with the mistaken opinion that having a gun on my person "short circuits our natural thinking process when problem solving." Quite the contrary. I KNOW I have my gun on me and the last thing I want to do is have to pull it. So I, and probably the majority (if not all) people with CCW's will explore all avenues to prevent using the weapon. In fact, the weapon tends to make you pay attention, be more aware of your environment and situations, so you have the tendancy to "look ahead" to potential problems and avoid them. More than likely the unarmed would find themselves in a dangerous situation more often, just because they don't pay attention. Now what makes an armed cop different than an armed "citizen"? The cop goes off to class and has some training, in that training is he voided of all natural human emotions ? Is the human officer training like training a K-9 ? Ring a bell and his emotions turn off and on ? So the anti-gun rational could be that at the first sign of trouble, the cop is going to pull his weapon and start firing on anyone and everyone ?!
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #148  
Chuck .... probably more damage than just a belt ... finish mowers are built much lighter than rotaries .... and when you start throwing chucks of wood around underneath. I have some pretty good "bumps" on the heavy metal of my KingKutter already.
But that's what I do/did .... run over it several times until I can no longer hear the clang, clang, clang ... and the chopped stuff is pretty well shredded (yours will do a better job of that with your lighter, thinner blade).
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #149  
Wingnut,

I'm just chopping hay. No sticks or rocks. I figure I'm probably bogging down the blades and making the belt slip a bit. I think I heard some squealing a few times. I'll probably get away with it if I don't do it too often. With luck the combination of weather and other circumstances that caused me to miss cutting for so long won't happen again. Now, I have run over a fair number of big sticks....read logs....along the perimeters of my fields. So far these collisions haven't put any dents in my deck. I think I might prefer a rear discharge mower, but I'll probably never find out because this one is apparently bullet proof (had to get close to the original topic) and I'll never be able to justify replacing it!

Chuck
 
   / Do you cary a weapon on your tractor? #150  
I'm gonna have to delete this forum as it takes up too much time!
I logged on this A.M. just to take a quik gander, and darn if I didn't notice a firearms-related thread. Had to read the entire thread, and boy, some of the posts sure seemed to have direct-drive to my blood pressure mechanism; however, I've managed to compose myself enough to attempt a reply.

You and you alone are ultimately responsible for your own safety/wellbeing. No bureacratic entity is consistently capable (or even willing) of doing so.

FREE men (and women) own/have the use of guns---SLAVES don't.

For a VERY thorough discussion of firearms and crime issues read "MORE GUNS LESS CRIME'' by John R. Lott, Jr.
The University of Chicago Press.

I am a holder of a concealed-carry permit. I usually abide by the attendant dos and dont's; however, there are exceptions that I make. Let me briefly mention two.

On a trip out to the Western U.S. several years ago, I took along a .44 mag. Ruger revolver, AND a Colt .45 ACP. This was not a hunting trip, rather my fiance and I were hitting some of the areas that either were memorable to me from previous trips, or seemed like areas that would be appealing in character. Yellowstone (sadly the PC crowd rules here now), Western Wyoming, Northern Arizona, Montana, and Idaho. While in Montana, we decided to take in Glacier. To anyone who hasn't seen this area, all I can say is DO IT SOON before it completely goes the way of Yellowstone.

Now national parks pretty much totally prohibit the possession of ANY type of firearm on your person or in your vehicle, no matter what type of permit one has ( I know there are interstate issues here as well). I believe at the time that one was allowed to have a firearm in the trunk of your vehicle with the ammo separated in another area of the vehicle, as long as one was traveling straight through the park on the 'Going To The Sun Highway'. In no other areas of the park was one to have a firearm for any reason. Now even if I had a place to safely store these handguns outside the park's borders (and this applies to our Yellowstone visit as well), I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE SO. I kept them with us loaded and ready to use if needed. Yes I was breaking the law; however, I knew this and made the decision that MY AND MY FIANCE'S WELLBEING were more important than abiding by what I consider to be an unreasonable rule.
Did I draw and wave these guns around? Of course not. Did I shoot at any animals? No. Would I have defended our lives from an irrefutable threat at the risk of doing jail time? Absolutely.

Case two.
I work as a nurse in an emergency room of a small community hospital WHICH PROHIBITS WEOPONS OF ANY TYPE on it's property. At the risk of being discharged, I routinely take a smaller, more concealable .45 Springfield Armory 10 round pistol with me---ESPECIALLY ON NIGHTSHIFT (1900-0730), when most of the junkies and such are on the prowl. I can't count the times that I have been rolling around on the floor assisting security or an officer of one of the regional municipal departments with some of these idiots who become combative or assault a staffmember, family member, etc. I believe it's only a matter of time until someone comes in with a deadly weopon looking for drugs, etc. Hospital security ARE NOT always available. Nor are they provided with the means to stop such an act from occurring. They recently were allowed to carry a form of pepper spray. Let me tell you that pepper spray WILL NOT RELIABLY STOP EVRYONE. Sometimes it works and sometimes it dosn't I don't care what concentration it is or what it's mixed with. Seen it for myself. Same thing with TASERs. I witnessed a guy take THREE shots from police TASER units AND STILL CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE. Don't bet your life or that of a loved one on these types of non-lethal devices.
I realize that in the event of my being able to reach my firearm, and employ it to prevent a murder-- either my own or one of my colleagues--- I will certainly lose my job, possibly my career forever, and perhaps be imprisoned.
Believe me, I DO NOT TAKE CARRYING (or keeping one within reach) A FIREARM LIGHTLY.

Why then would I do such a thing? It's quite simple. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S BETTER TO BE TRIED BY TWELVE THAN CARRIED BY SIX.

On another note regarding the benign groundhog that is so widespread throughout most of the Northeast U.S..

Not more than three weeks ago, I treated a fellow who told quite an unbelievable little tale about how he was attacked by a groundhog while standing in his grandmother's backyard. Middle of the day. Mowed lawn. Stated he felt something strike his right foot (wearing running shoes)--- "....it felt like someone hit me on the foot with a baseball bat." Upon looking down, he saw this 'hog hissing and acting aggressive---VERY unusual. He ran to his nearby pickup and jumped up into the open bed. Said the 'hog chased him AND TRIED TO CLIMB UP INTO THE TRUCK. He then managed to get out of the truck and proceeded to make a dash for the house where additional family members were outside on the porch. They all ran inside the house and claim that the 'hog KEPT BANGING OFF OF THE SCREENDOOR TRYING TO GET AT THEM.
Now I've lived around groundhogs all my life and never witnessed ANY threatening behavior-- even when wounded.
I had my doubts about the validity of this patient's 'story', especially since his footwear had no punctures, scuffs, etc. on it. However, his right foot did have a large contusive-type injury with significant swelling. The alcohol on his breath (and all of the other family members) further contributed to my disbelief of his version, but I'm inclined to give people (and every other form of living creature) the benefit of the doubt in such situations. We treated him and told his brother, (who volunteered) a hunter of sorts, that either the animal was rabid ( this initiated a lively discussion among all present whether or not a groundhog could be a resevoir or vector of the rabies virus), or perhaps a female with a litter nearby.
In any event, IF the animal was truly as aggressive as described, it should be simply a matter of showing oneself in the area, and killing the animal when it showed.
The brother went (ETOH and all). The 'hog ".....charged out from under the barn...", and was put down with several rounds (#4 3" mags) from a 12 gauge shotgun. The head was detached and sent to a lab for analysis. It tested positive for the rabies virus, and despite the fact that the patient's foot did not sustain any open wounds from the attack (rabies is spread from the virus-laden saliva of the infected animal), the state dept. of health required that the patient undergo the recommended series of injections.
Now here's the reason I'm relating this latter incident--- while I was preparing the RIG (rabies immune globulin) and RIV (rabies immune vaccine) injections, I read the entire insert from the drug manufacturer and found the following stat: 70% OF ALL RECENT RABID ANIMAL BITES WERE FROM GROUNDHOGS.

JIm S.
 

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