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Need help building a dock. How do I drive in the posts. Any style of design I should use. Need Help please.
Murph :confused:
 
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Need help building a dock. How do I drive in the posts. Any style of design I should use. Need Help please.
Murph :confused:

I would not drive the post in at all, it makes it a real bear to get out at the end of the season. What I did when I use to have a lake place is just let the post stick though the feet about three inches or so; it helps stabilize the post and it much easier to get out at the end of the season.
 
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I would not drive the post in at all, it makes it a real bear to get out at the end of the season. What I did when I use to have a lake place is just let the post stick though the feet about three inches or so; it helps stabilize the post and it much easier to get out at the end of the season.

This dock is staying up for good.
 
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What kind of water is the dock on? Is it tidal, does it freeze, do you want floating or fixed? Here for permanent docks that stay in we usually drive steel posts down and then mount a deck on top of them.
 
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You can use a water jet----small gas engine with pump attached and hoses, and some old tires to stand on....Tony
 
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This dock is staying up for good.

I see that some folks auger posts into the lake bottom....and always have wondered "what's up with that"?? As was said....NOBODY in MN does that, as most often, we need to take the docks out of the lake each fall.

Still, I wonder why you want to permanently secure the dock to the lake bottom....unless you have a pretty big craft to tie up? If so, I would consider using an electric jack hammer or a fence post pounder to set your posts up to the mud pads.

How hard is the bottom? Are you trying to set your posts through the soft bottom to a harder area in the lake-bed?

I'm just curious too about why folks drive posts. Kinda different in other parts of the country I suppose.
 
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Sorry guys, I should of explained it better. The dock is for my 1 acre pond in my back 40. There is a wood dock now but I wanted to make a better bigger dock. I see lots of wood docks around here.
 
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My dock sets on 6" x 6" posts. A friend was doing some work on my bank with an excavator. We cut points on the posts using a chainsaw then drove the posts with the excavator. I cut the tops off the posts after I put up the top band. I should note the water in my pond was really low that year which allowed me to get in the water wearing waders and hold the posts while he drove the posts. The dock has been there for six years and no problems with the posts.
 
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Sorry guys, I should of explained it better. The dock is for my 1 acre pond in my back 40. There is a wood dock now but I wanted to make a better bigger dock. I see lots of wood docks around here.

I live on a pond / small lake as well (about 1 mi x .5 mi) and here everyone has wooden decking and metal posts. The soil is kind of a soft peat on top of boulders and clay, so you just bang the posts in until you get to something solid to support them, then build the deck on top of it.
 
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We just re-did the dock. I'll try and take pix in the morning if the weather allows. Since it is out of the water right now, we were able to just use a posthole digger for resetting the one post we had to do. The posts are about three feet into the bottom and we don't have any freeze issues here, so that isn't a concern. When the water is at normal levels, the bottom 2/3 of the dock is in water up to 3' deep, so I'm not sure how it was done originally.

Maybe you can at least get an idea of the overall design from the pix. The one thing we did use was pre-treated and shaped boards (already Thompsonized and edges rounded). The only thing I still want to do is make a floating dock on the end with Plastic Barrels so the kids can get into the Jon-Boat to go fishing easier. Right now, I'd have to extend the dock 20 feet to get to deep enough water.
 
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We drive down 6 inch steel pipe for spud poles. Then we make a floating dock and add a 7 inch spud well on the corners. We use a hinged walk with roller on the end to the dock. It works good on the river. A more simple one is make a steel framed floater that has a hinged walkway. THis allows for depth changes in the water. We use a large home built hydraulic driver. for putting in posts inside a boat house or on a small job that the barge cant get to we have a 2 man version of a tpost driver.
 
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for a bridge. spans i would say 40 to 60 feet. 4 fee wide. only 4 4" galvanized metal pipes / posts. and i want to say 2x12's are used as the under side supports, with regular decking board on top.

i was way to young to remember post being put in. but i want to say they took a piece of 2x6 and placed over top of pipe, and used a 2 to 3lb hammer. and slowly tapped the posts down. while standing in the boat.

i really hate this bridge. when the water gets low. IT GETS LOW, 4 to 6 feet low. when lake is full of water and going out the overflow pipe. water is about 2 to 3 inches below the 2x12s. so you end up with 5 to 6 feet drop and no easy way to get in and out of a boat. when the water is down that low.

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year or 2 ago. i had some 55 gallon drums laying around. some old plywood, and some ugly 2x8's laying around. so bought a couple boxes of screws and built raft / dock. i put about 10 gallons of water and some antifreeze in each drum. for little extra weight in bottom of drums. and added a 2x4 ladder, that hinges right at the water line. so lower half of ladder can be pulled up out of the water and tied off with a rope when no one is around.

it will stay on the lake forever. well at least until it is about to sink or completely fall apart.

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hopefully later this year, i have some 5" x 9" x 16 feet long pieces of lumber 3 of them. and a bunch of hard board insulation. and will be building another dock. that sets much closer to the water level. to a point were i can actually set down on dock with a couple folks and still keep our butts dry, but have just below knees all the way under water. there are a good amount of DIY builds on the internet and most likely some here on this forum for hard board insulation/Styrofoam docks.

i may end up skipping the stryofaom for this dock. and use 2 to 4 55 gallon drums at one end, and placing other end up on the bank. and tieing it off, so i have a way to tie off the 55gallon raft/dock and tie off the row boat. perhaps diving if i place it in certain area. i may end up driving two 4" or so metal pipes down for posts. and for giggles. once drove down and cut to height. get some bags of concrete and dump down the pipe. all the way up to the top.

i doubt i will even attempt to use wooden posts. way to heavy for me to try and jack around with. and no real way to get a tractor near spot i would want the posts. and a pipe should be easier to pound down into mud granted i will most likely need to have a longer metal post vs wood post.

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thinking about it. i may build the floating dock and just tie it up with ropes, and wait till winter and good thick ice on lake. and rent a 2 man post hole digger with extensions. and dig me some holes through ice and right on down into the mud.

i suppose if you had 2 row boats. and 4 people, 1 in each boat to keep boats were they need to be, and another in each boat working on putting post in. (1 holding other using a small sledge hammer 2 to 5 lbs) and slowly tapping down a wooden post that had a point on the end.

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another thing for "water level when low" mom's house there was a concrete 3 feet wide or so 6 to 8 feet long dock. that you could go diving off of. when water level was low, 3 to 6 feet, it was a pain in rear to get up and out of the water, from regular pool ladders, to extension ladders, to ladders that fold out into an A. to other,

floating docks, i have come to love. and makes life easier getting in and out of the water. and i am loving the 2x4 ladder that hinges right at water level. it looks like an extension ladder. but a little bit wider. and ran the 2x4's about 5 feet up into the air. and then ran 2x4 angle brace further back on the dock. allow folks to either step around and onto the side of dock when getting out of the water. or through the middle. with the hinge, and nylon rope able to pull ladder out of water to keep it from rotting on me and **more so** keep algae and junk from growing on it and making it slick. the lower portion of ladder does want to float up on me some. but it is fairly easy to put a tiny bit of weight on ladder and it sinks, and allows you to climb right up and out.
 
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I don't know if these are of any help, but maybe they can give you some ideas. The water is usually up to where the undergrowth is below the dock, so it is the lowest anybody around here has seen in many years. I guess the whole lake covers about a thirty acre area.

Fortunately, it still has some decent Bass in it. Grand-Daughter caught one last week and now she wants to spend the summer fishin' :thumbsup:
 

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If you have a water pump and the ground is not rocky you can jet the posts down easily. You stand the post up, using a piece of pipe (1/2" or 3/4") you just jet around the post and it will sink right down.
I helped my neighbor install his power pole. He dug the hole, we marked the new pole at 5' and when we got it stood up it was only 3 1/2' , we had knocked dirt in the hole. We just took a garden hose and 1/2" pipe and jetted around it. It took about two minutes to sink it and we could have easily have gone much deeper!
You can buy a fitting at most hardware stores that goes from 1/2" pipe to garden hose. Try just washing a pipe into the ground and you will see how easy it is.
 
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If you have a water pump and the ground is not rocky you can jet the posts down easily. You stand the post up, using a piece of pipe (1/2" or 3/4") you just jet around the post and it will sink right down.
I helped my neighbor install his power pole. He dug the hole, we marked the new pole at 5' and when we got it stood up it was only 3 1/2' , we had knocked dirt in the hole. We just took a garden hose and 1/2" pipe and jetted around it. It took about two minutes to sink it and we could have easily have gone much deeper!
You can buy a fitting at most hardware stores that goes from 1/2" pipe to garden hose. Try just washing a pipe into the ground and you will see how easy it is.

My uncle did something like that in Florida.
 
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Have you thought about a floating dock? Might make life easier

I know that I have . I have not did much research into them. I do have access to some fairly cheap plastic drums ($5 bucks a piece)

I have just not taken the time to explore .

I would not want to drive any posts into the bottom of my pond. THe guy that built my pond had to line it (clay I think) .

My place is close to a major river so we have a lot of sand. I have no seepage at all and my levee is in good shape currently. The pond is artisean
well fed and the water stays clear all year round.

I do no want to drive anything into my levee or the bottom of my pond that
might puncture that clay lining and start causing me problems.
 
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I know that I have . I have not did much research into them. I do have access to some fairly cheap plastic drums ($5 bucks a piece)

I have just not taken the time to explore .

I would not want to drive any posts into the bottom of my pond. THe guy that built my pond had to line it (clay I think) .

My place is close to a major river so we have a lot of sand. I have no seepage at all and my levee is in good shape currently. The pond is artisean
well fed and the water stays clear all year round.

I do no want to drive anything into my levee or the bottom of my pond that
might puncture that clay lining and start causing me problems.

i doubt i would worry for a clay lined pond. there are multi ways to put clay into the soil to get the pond to hold water. but clay is not a "epdm liner pond" or other type of rubber / plastic line pond. it is clay errr dirt that is holding water in the pond.
 
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ALL of the docks around here are floating docks with drums. We are on an Ohio river backwater creek and get up to 18' of variation in water level. I envy you guys with a stable water level that can have fixed docks.

Heck our electric meter is on a pulley to raise in in the winter. That's not always enough :(

Ken
 

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