Our mutts are trained for leads, but in the woods we never use them. No shock collars ever used but they are trained. They never run off for more than a few minutes. How could that work?
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#1st option...
You are awesome people who have only a couple of dogs to train, and perhaps you could give Ceasar Millan a run for his money if you decided to do your own show and make lots of money doing it (many more variables not mentioned).
# 2nd option
Law of averages given how many dogs at one point in time you "own", how the "pack mentality" works with each dog, and how many hours you were able to spend "one on one" per each dog?
Personally, I'm guessing option 2 on your end.
Please let me know I'm wrong, and tell me you haven't had 7 dogs come into your house at different ages, different "backgrounds" that you may not have known about per each dogs history, and PLEASE let me know how you train each dog to behave perfectly.
Out of 50 plus dogs in 10 years, we've averaged about 10 dogs who needed a training collar to remove bad behaviors. That's one out of 5. Not bad numbers IMO.
Some dogs catch on fast, some dogs not so fast per training. That was our experience.
You have two dogs that can go on a trail without a ecollar for along with off lead, great. We currently have 3 dogs who can do the same thing as yours off lead on a trail, but we still have 2 dogs we'd use a ecollar for and one we aren't 100% certain about. Does that make you a better dog owner than myself? I honestly don't know. What I do know is my dogs won't cause fear or destruction of others people property.
Thing is, looking at your pictures, if other people may be on hiking trails (public use), you should NEVER have your dog off lead. We've realized that although we know our dogs won't bite anyone, when you come across the general public, you have no clue who can fear dogs and why, and THAT'S why a dog should always be on a lead when coming across the general public.
We've taken more than a couple of dogs out on hiking trails open to public use, and ANYTIME they come across others, we put them on lead so others know that the dogs are under our control.