Buying Advice Done with hydrostatics

[daugen]

I have always wondered why we can't get a tractor with hydrostatic bigger than 70hp.
Has to be a reason, perhaps efficiency?
Long jump up to IVT...
For loader work I find the hydro trans super helpful.

 

[daugen]

The absolute lowest end Deere is the X370 with the K57 transaxle . The X380 and up has a even more robust K58 transaxle.
Anything below a X380 is just a daisy cutter for a retired Aunt Mildred to use for 100 hours on a flat city lawn .
TractorData.com John Deere X38 tractor transmission information

it would be great to have someone who works on these things report on the various models, really seem to be dominated by two companies, plus Eaton in commercial. The comments first look at the transaxle seems spot on.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

I always like to buy new, but if I were buying a mower, I would buy used (pre-2010 or so). I believe quality is way down on these machines.

 

[majorwager]

Rock Crawler just posted a thread recently that examines two high end lawn/garden tractor transmissions. See " Cub Cadet XT3 GSX or Husqvarna TS354XD? " in the lawn and garden forum. Well explained. I, for one, see NO deficiency in the current XT3, shaft drive, power steering, size, weight, 60 inch fabricated deck now available, 2018, show me the quality deficiency????

 

[prof fate]

everyone says newer is crap..is it?
Depends...
I had a 2002 sear tractor..crap. But then they offered 3 lines and I had the lowest level model...
neghbor just sold a high end sears model from about '16..never worked right. He's still using his old wheel horse. THEY made good stuff.

Cub Cadet has made all kinds of stuff..good mostly but some crap too.

Back in the 60s we had a cub for years, then a borrowed allis chalmers..boy i wanted it, but dad got an AMF..crap. Neighbor had a sears mower...for longer than we had those 3.

Problem is too many retailers have stressed 'low prices always' and such that folks have drilled into their psyche to buy cheap. So companies have to compete on price.

I just bought a used bush hog brush hog. Prices on new ones are $1500-2000 these days. Guess what? The one I got came with the original sales invoice -December 14, 1989 it sold new for $1750.

So 30 years later they cost the same. Inflation? NOTHING costs what it did 30 years ago...so what's the secret to keeping costs the same?

It HAS to be made cheaper...

I always like to buy new, but if I were buying a mower, I would buy used (pre-2010 or so). I believe quality is way down on these machines.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Well off shore labor rates figure into the low prices for sure.

The problem is, that consumer items can be made very cheaply that almost exactly resemble the high quality version. Add some extra BLING (costs nothing) a low price and it's open season on the suckers!

I had trouble taking off a battery clamp yesterday. I remembered I had a brand new puller for this purpose. I found it and attempted to use it. The cheap casting of the tool broke in two! You think you have something, and you might as well have thrown your money in the garbage.

 

[k0ua]

Well off shore labor rates figure into the low prices for sure.

The problem is, that consumer items can be made very cheaply that almost exactly resemble the high quality version. Add some extra BLING (costs nothing) a low price and it's open season on the suckers!

I had trouble taking off a battery clamp yesterday. I remembered I had a brand new puller for this purpose. I found it and attempted to use it. The cheap casting of the tool broke in two! You think you have something, and you might as well have thrown your money in the garbage.

Was it from "horrible freight? If so... well... what can I say? Buyer beware?

If it said Klien or Channel Lock or even Stanley on it, then that is another story.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I have been thinking about that. That tool was never meant to serve any purpose as a tool. And yet someone created the tooling, and went through the bother of creating and marketing that thing. Just to make a buck. Actually, I don't even know where I got it.

I saw a documentary on lying last night. Apparently we are lied to between 10 and 200 times a day on average. They say much of lying is a cooperative effort.

And it's not just humans. Coco (sp?) the (sign language) Guerilla when asked how a sink got torn from the wall, pointed the finger at his pet kitten!

 

[cabinhollow]

I have always wondered why we can't get a tractor with hydrostatic bigger than 70hp.
Has to be a reason, perhaps efficiency?
Long jump up to IVT...
For loader work I find the hydro trans super helpful.

My 135 hp Uni has a hydrostatic drive that still works after 35+ years.

 

[daugen]

My 135 hp Uni has a hydrostatic drive that still works after 35+ years.

I had to look that up.
Maybe they figured the drag in a harvester wasn't too high, mostly hp needed for operation
I think some of the older IH tractors had larger hydros too.