Doublewide. How bad are they?

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We bought our camp property last year and built a garage and wood/implement shed. Now we are ready for the camp.
After having the 2000 sq ft plans done I realize I can't afford the $150 - 200,000 price tag (the going rate is $70 to $120 per sq ft in this area). So now we are looking into a modular or even a double wide. The $61,000 price on a doublewide is a heck of a lot sweeter to swallow but how cheaply built are they? Would I be sorry or would it work for a "camp"?
-Terry
 
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I know several folks who live in double wides. I am pretty impressed with them. They are very large an seem to be well made. Not the same as stick built, of course, but the ones I've seen seem pretty sturdy. Just watch out for those tornados! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #3  
Mobile homes have come a long way but the basic elements that always made them a bad investment are still there if you don't watch out. Find out what the floor is made of, if it's wafer wood or particle board, keep searching. All it takes is one bad plumbing leak and you will be replacing the floor.

Some manufacturers have stepped up the building material and some haven't. Also ask about insulation, while it's still on the lot and you can, crawl under it and poke around. Push on the walls, see if there's any give. If there's a plant nearby take the tour.
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #4  
No comparison... go modular. There is not a doublewide out there built as good as a modular. One word would terrify me of living in a house with a chasis/frame and wheels -- tornado. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif After seeing some modulars being built, there are not many stick-built homes that are built as well as modular homes. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Our own government did numerous studies and tests of mobile and modular homes after Hurricanes Hugo and Andrew. Guess how mobile homes fared? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif There was a special on one of the few educational channels a while back on modular homes. It was a real eye-opener. But, no, I don't live in a modular... I have a stick built home. Two of my neighbors have modulars and they are very well built. One of them is three stories!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif My next house will probably be a modular home.
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #5  
Terry,
First off you need to see if they are even allowed on your land.

If they are then visit dealers and you will see differences among models and manufactures. When first married I lived in a mobile home for 5 years. It was a great "house". But repairs were hard to do. All the doors and cabinets were pressed wood so if a hinge was loose you had to fill the hole first because the screws would strip out the presswood. And I particulary disliked the strips that were placed over the drywall joints.

We are looking to put a new building were our camp is. We are looking at modular homes. Most of the dealers are also mobile home dealers. Some of the mobile homes are very nice. In the high end models they offer a taped drywall joint in place of the strips I mentioned above. This needs to be done after the mobile home is set up on your lot. It made a world of difference in the interior of the house.

After selling our mobile home we moved into a modular home. In the mobile home you always knew you were in a trailer. The modular home was no different than a site built house. The only way to tell it was modular was to go into the basement and you could see were the parts were bolted together.

In the long run mobile homes depreciate while a modular will appreciate the same as a stick built house.

Phil
 
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Any reason you need a 2000sqft "CAMP"? I would hope your going to spend a lot of time outside so inside space is not as critical. The $70-$120 /sqft is for a finished home, why would you pay that for a camp/vacation home? Unless your going to be at the camp on a regular basis I would not want a mobile home at a remote location. Can you even get a mobile home delivered to a remote site? How about a log cabin or A frame. You can get quite a bit of livable space in an a-frame. An A frame or cabin can be quickly built, may need no inside finishing. Minimal plumbing and electrical. With $60k being workable price you can put up a pretty good size A frame.
If thats not an option then a modular would be my second choice. With it being a camp location consider alternative construction options.
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #7  
Mobile homes (now-a-days designated as "manufactured housing") have one thing in common with other houses and that is a wide variation in the quality of the materials used and in the quality of the construction. IF you get one properly built and IF it is properly installed and set up, it will be just as good as a site built house. The problem is that those two "IFs" are seldom met. I bought a very small, used "house trailer" when I was 19 years old and it turned out to be a good investment. Then I didn't live in one again until '95 when I bought the little farm that included a ragged old 14' x 70' mobile home with many problems. I fixed it up enough for us to live in a couple of years, then ordered a new double-wide custom built the way I wanted it, but I still made a couple of mistakes.

And 3 weeks ago, we bought another little single wide in a mobile home park because of the location and price, but it's a Fleetwood product (biggest manufacturer in the world and builds the cheapest thing they can get away with). Like some other things, not too bad for the price, but far from being quality.

Like Cindi said, don't let a salesman talk you into particle board floors (they have some other names for them and will tell you all about the benefits and how that's better than plywood); don't you believe it! Insist on plywood floors (yes, that will cost a little more, but well worth it). The plumbing is another major factor. Our last double-wide had all CPVC water lines, brass cut-off valves at the toilets and under sink and lavatories, Moen lifetime faucets; i.e., much better than the flexible stuff many use. Then are plastic lavatories and toilets good enough, or do you want regular home type (porcelain) fixtures offered at additional cost.

What kind and amount of insulation, of course, but then what kind of siding? Many were notorious for rotting along the bottom. Some now have hardipanel that is not supposed to rot and some, as our current one, have vinyl siding. What kind and quality of roofing will it have? Are you satisfied with the heating and air-conditioning ducted in the floor (limits where you can place furniture) or will you insist on it being in the ceiling (as we did with our double-wide)? Check the quality of the cabinetry. A few are very good; many are very cheap. Are you getting storm doors and windows, or at least double pane of some type? Are the walls paneled? Vinyl coated thin sheetrock, or as has been said, sheetrocked, taped and bedded on site? Is 14 gauge electrical wiring satisfactory or do you want to pay extra for 12-2 romex? Are mini-blinds or other window treatments included? Does it have 32" or 36" wide doors? Are they regular house type doors, wood or steel, or the mobile home type that open outward (usually aluminum over wood)? Dead bolt locks included? Ceiling fans? Pre-wired for telephone and/or TV/Internet coax?

Look at the water heater. Is it in a drain pan large enough to carry off the water if it springs a leak?

And finally . . . I would never put another manufactured house on my own property unless it was set up on a concrete slab for a foundation! It's quite common to put cinder block piers on a small concrete base and level with hardwood wedges. Unless you use the concrete slab, you can bet on needing to have it re-leveled periodically (had this one done yesterday) at a cost of $300 to $600 usually in this area. I know of one area in which manufactured housing is prohibited unless it is set up on a concrete slab.

Some good friends of ours have just sold their farm and bought two acres at the edge of town. They thought they were going to go with a modular until the price approached $140k, so to get all the same features and size in a manufactured home on a concrete slab is going to cost about half that. I suppose those price differences may vary in different parts of the country.

Good luck with whichever way you go.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Any reason you need a 2000sqft "CAMP"? )</font>

Ask my wife. I agree that is excess but there may be a possibility that the "camp' turns into our year around home. I'd hate to have wished we built it larger or better.
Still, I simply can't afford the price I'm being quoted so I'm looking at all options.
Thanks for your reply.
-Terry
 
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Bird,
Once again you've made so many good points I'd have to quote your whole response.
I will try and way quality with cost but I tell you it keeps me up at night..
-Terry
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they?
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( One word would terrify me of living in a house with a chasis/frame and wheels -- tornado. )</font>

Fortunately we don't have those. What we do have though lots and lots of snow.
-Terry
 
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I am in the same position and intending to build a camp in the next three-five years. I have already looked at modular homes. I am a little confused as to what the difference is between a double wide and a modular. The Modulars we looked at were about 2,000 sq' and in the mid 60's with log sideing, jacuzi, fireplace etc. Another option on many of theese that was not mentioned is sheet rock walls. Very nice ! A 1000 sq' custom built stick with a 2.5 car attached garage in our area is approx 150k. I agree with Bird completely. I owned a few in past years and the new trend is to set them on concrete piers the size of big coffee cans. At the very least get a concrete slab. Useing either method here you will not qualify for a home mortage and you pay a higher interest rate. By haveing it set on blocks you will get a much better interest rate if financeing is needed as it will then be classified as non- mobile. If you have do it your self skills you might look at www dot PanelConCepts dot com. Theese are very cost effective and very cool. A nice cabin but they will not truelly offer the year round liveability that a modular will. Dave
 
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What about mice, snakes, squirels, ants, etc.? The big reason I have not really looked at modular or double wide is because of the cracks and little holes where these varmits will get in. If I build a stick frame I intend to use construction adhesive and seal up all that I can during construction to keep these pesty things out. I put a camper on my property and within a few weeks it was so full of mice I could not stay in it. Now also got wasps, etc. Are the modular of double wides made tight enough to keep this stuff out?
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am a little confused as to what the difference is between a double wide and a modular. )</font>

A mobile home or double wide is built on a steel I-beam frame and has the wheels attached to that frame which are used to transport it to the site.

A modular is stick built except in a factory not on-site. The modular I lived in was all wood framed as are the ones I recently looked at. The modular home is constructed in sections or boxes that are placed on a flat bed and transported to the site. Once it is assembled it is for all intents and purposes a permanent dwelling. Whereas you could concievably move the double wide around by mounting the wheels back to the frame.

In my mobile home I paid a higher interest rate as noted above. And I was issued a <font color="red"> title </font> from the <font color="red"> Dept of Motor Vehicles </font> .

In my modular house I paid the prevailing interest rate and there was an actual mortgage and <font color="red"> deed. </font>

Also the modular should appreciate while the mobile tends to depreciate.

Phil
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Are the modular of double wides made tight enough to keep this stuff out? )</font>

As with most features, this varies considerably with the brand of manufactured house; some are pretty darned tight and others are not. And you can use basically the same methods you'd use in a site built house to keep the critters out. But the fact is that I've never seen any kind of house that could keep all the mice and ants out if they're in the area and determined to get in. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #15  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( In my mobile home I paid a higher interest rate as noted above. And I was issued a title from the Dept of Motor Vehicles .

In my modular house I paid the prevailing interest rate and there was an actual mortgage and deed.

Also the modular should appreciate while the mobile tends to depreciate. )</font>

All good points, and correct, Phil. There are actually cases in which the manufactured houses appreciate in value if properly built and set up, but they do normally depreciate.

And I encountered something new just last month when I bought our current single wide. One insurance company refused to insure it unless it was anchored down on a concrete slab, and in this mobile home park, none of them are.
 
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Theese are all good points and all accurate I'm sure. There is a great difference in the laws from state to state so its imperative you understand the rules where you live. Here the appreciation factor is very unlikely. Also even though a Modular has the axles removed on placement MOST finance companys here consider them mobile or " moveable" unless they are set on blocks. In mi the units are titled the year they are made. I have heard that other states only do this when they are sold. So in theory you could have a 3 year old demo titled as new in some states. Just food for thought. Either way, Based on my experience I say Block is first choice and a slab is the only other viable option. The slab will be more up front but you WILL pay more later with piers getting it re-leveled, and thats no fun ! I dont know about the holes stuff, I have never had that experience. A lot of theese now are VERY high quality and in this day and age may be one of the last True Bargains, at least that's my opinion. They certainly will make a nice camp as they are generally maintenance free, vinyl sideing sofets etc. I also REALLY like the new modular garages they have now. Its very nice to think that one day you have a opening in the woods and next week end you can go back and POOF ! Deer camp is done /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Very nice. Dave
 
   / Doublewide. How bad are they? #17  
"Useing either method here you will not qualify for a home mortage and you pay a higher interest rate. "

A modular is treated the same as a stick built when it comes to financing. Modulars around here have to be built on permanent foundations; that makes them a permanent home.
Mobile homes are not.
There is a world of difference in the ways each are made. Modulars will outlast any mobile home on the market. That has been proven over and over. Mobile homes are inherently weaker all around because they have to be made to travel on a wheeled-chasis. There has to be flex built in or the things would destroy themselves going down roads.
One thing the poster can do with a modular is add on, just like any stick-built home. These are pre-built in a factory, dis-assembled and carried to the site and re-built.
 
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Haveing owned a couple I'm totally confused /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Modulars are built on frames as well and rolled down the road. Unless they are on blocks in my state they will not qualify for a home mtg. It might be different there. I doubt anything is a given across the entire reading scope of the members here. Dave
 
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Gary, in many cases you're right, but I supposed there are exceptions to everything.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Modulars will outlast any mobile home on the market. )</font>

May be; I don't have any real evidence either way, but I do know of some mobile homes that have been in place for at least 38 years (of my personal knowledge; I've been told they were there long before that) and still look just as good as the site build homes around them.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( One thing the poster can do with a modular is add on, just like any stick-built home )</font>

Just as you can do with a mobile home. Naturally I've seen some very sloppy "add ons", but I also know of some that are not. In fact, friends of ours just sold their farm (most of our friends are getting old like us /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif) and they've been in a large double-wide with front and rear porches added on, a two car attached garage and crafts shop on one end, . . . and most of the people who came to look at it had no idea it was a "mobile home" instead of site built until they were told.
 
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Quick reply cause I'm busy watchin the pond go in. I love ours. It's a 1993, 28 x 48 and we bought it $23K. It was paid for the first year. The walls are 2x6 and this thing is well insulated let me tell you. I use under 600 gal. propane/yr. to heat it. If the sun is shining on a cold winter day the furnace hardly runs at all, and I'm talking below 20 degrees F.

I didn't put it on a foundation yet, it's got plywood skirtings with textured paint. It looks like a concrete foundation. Without the foundation we pay absolutely NO tax on it.
The only downside I've found is that its hard to finance a used one and the insurance is higher than a house if you have it parked out in the country without a foundation.

Kevin
 

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