DPF/ DEF/ electronic fuel injection, etc

[4570Man]

I know several OTR drivers. They have plenty of issues with their rigs.
Probably not as much as these tractors are having though.They are out on the road running all the time at high RPM. Unless you are plowing 3000+ acres, our tractors aren't running the required high RPMS to prevent many issues the dealers are seeing.

Emissions should have been mandated for tractors over 150 HP, not those of us that are using our tractors on a small farm
All the dealers I talk to say there are many issues with these emissions tractors.
So, If you got an emissions tractor that isn't having issues. You are one of the few

I'm still looking for the right 100 hp non emissions tractor.
There are plenty of low hr emission tractors on the chopping block.. Wonder why ? LOL

I have little doubt about the systems when used in a commercial environment. It’s the light use over 20 years where it’s probably going to cause big problems.

 

[ovrszd]

I agree.

I'll add, every one of us will own Tier IV or later versions. No exceptions.

 

[RickB]

I don't think the prez had anything to do with it. It's overreach by the EPA. Congress should remove their power to enact such regulations.
Neither the R's Nor the D' are willing to strip the EPA of their over reaching authority

I agree. And that is why I take exception to politicizing and finger pointing to further a personal agenda or philosophy.
They can take that crap to Facebook, we do not need it here at TBN.

 

[LouNY]

What bothers me is the EPA mandates for emissions are all based on parts per million or billion per gallon of fuel,
not PPM or PPB for so many HP at so many hours there is no benefit for efficiency or fuel economy which would most likely be better for the environment.
With the computer controlled electronically injected engines out now days the fuel consumption could be drastically reduce and overall emmissions reduced
with less issues and less people trying various methods to reduce the issues with the pollution devices.

 

[5030]

Like the 100 mpg carburetor that the automakers bought the rights to and quashed it. Could be Internet folklore but anything is possible.

 

[5030]

I don't worry about things I cannot control anyway. If fuel costs more or inputs go up, I just pass that cost increase along in the price of my product, in this case forage. Case in point, 46 granulated took a big jump last fall. Went up almost 5 bucks a bag so I rolled that cost into my per bale price and my customer never said squat. He knows what the costs are in as much as he's a livestock producer.

At least diesel (off road) is relatively stable. The 4 buck a gallon bad dream seems to have went away for the immediate future. I can actually klet me tractors idle and keep the ac on without feeling guilty.

 

[finn1]

What bothers me is the EPA mandates for emissions are all based on parts per million or billion per gallon of fuel,
not PPM or PPB for so many HP at so many hours there is no benefit for efficiency or fuel economy which would most likely be better for the environment.
With the computer controlled electronically injected engines out now days the fuel consumption could be drastically reduce and overall emmissions reduced
with less issues and less people trying various methods to reduce the issues with the pollution devices.

That痴 factually incorrect. Emissions are based on g/hp-hr, not ppm, for off highway and heavy duty engines. That means the more power you produce, the more total emissions you can shoot out the tailpipe into the atmosphere.

Light duty on highway emissions are g/mile.

 

[MHarryE]

Politicizing runs rampant on the Internet as I went through Tiers 1, 2, 3 and was well into Tier 4 where I work when I retired 1 week after Obama took office. Pre-emissions control was primitive, low pressure, dump more fuel in to get power and let it smoke. Europe with all its diesel cars and US port cities with their smog problems led the fight to clean the mess up. But here we go with the blame the non-WASP guy.

 

[RickB]

Politicizing runs rampant on the Internet as I went through Tiers 1, 2, 3 and was well into Tier 4 where I work when I retired 1 week after Obama took office. Pre-emissions control was primitive, low pressure, dump more fuel in to get power and let it smoke. Europe with all its diesel cars and US port cities with their smog problems led the fight to clean the mess up. But here we go with the blame the non-WASP guy.

Good post.

 

[kenmac]

I would love to buy a new tractor. I know I can't because for me, it's impossible to run 2500 RPMS from the minute I crank it until the minuet I shut it down.

Those large plowing farmers aren't going to see much problems (I don't think) . What I see and hear around me is the small farms where they can't /don't run wide open for long periods.

Since I fall within this group. I'm just going to locate (how ever long it takes) a pre emissions machine

You don't have to look far to find low hour almost new machines for sale. I can find many within a few miles of me.
There is no doubt in my mind why these tractors are on the market. JD,Kubota, Case, Mahindra, Massey, etc,. all DEF, and DPF