Driverless Cars

   / Driverless Cars #291  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...
 
   / Driverless Cars #292  
And this is what we can expect more of for our future - prof fate. George Orwell got it right 35 years ago.


I think he wrote that around 1949 as a PREDICTION of what the future would hold 35 years in his (then) future.
So, nearly 70 years ago from our "now" time.

BICBW
 
   / Driverless Cars #293  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...

The one or two overlaps aren't an issue, even with small to moderate sized data sets, less so with large or what is now being fashionably called big data.
They may trigger searches for other overlaps and if an unusually strong association is found - well now, what have we here ?
If no contra indications, sure they should look at you (or me) a little harder.
I don't have a probelm with that and I don't think any of us should.

It isn't THAT different from the beat cop knowing where we hang out and who we hang there with - and putting that together with who THEY hang out with.
Just MORE info that is better correlated.
I see it largely as better chances of crime PREVENTION.
 
   / Driverless Cars #294  
The one or two overlaps aren't an issue, even with small to moderate sized data sets, less so with large or what is now being fashionably called big data.
They may trigger searches for other overlaps and if an unusually strong association is found - well now, what have we here ?
If no contra indications, sure they should look at you (or me) a little harder.
I don't have a probelm with that and I don't think any of us should.

It isn't THAT different from the beat cop knowing where we hang out and who we hang there with - and putting that together with who THEY hang out with.
Just MORE info that is better correlated.
I see it largely as better chances of crime PREVENTION.

Oh my god, no wonder big brotherism is growing and thriving.
I have so much more that I want to say but it's hard to put it in words and thoughts
that belong on this forum especially on a thread for driverless cars.
 
   / Driverless Cars #295  
Oh my god, no wonder big brotherism is growing and thriving.
I have so much more that I want to say but it's hard to put it in words and thoughts
that belong on this forum especially on a thread for driverless cars.

Go ahead, say it.
 
   / Driverless Cars #296  
Sorry it's Life360.

Don't all vehicles of late havr a black box tracking info as well as any cell phone?

Maybe the kids are just embracing reality while we are in denial.

There is some "recent data" (in what is essentially a cyclic list) that can be retrieved from most vehicles after a crash.
If you are worried that it might indict you for 85 in a 30 zone right after you kill somebody, I hope it does.
Not "You" personally, I mean anyone/everyone shouldn't be able to deny their contribution of factors to the so called accidents that they have.
Anyone with a problem with that has choices; drive within the law, have someone else drive for them, use public transport, call Uber, etc.
 
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#297  
possibility..i've not seen in the news.

Your GM car has onstar, your phone of course tracks everything. You go to the same bar, or restaurant, or club meeting or bowling league, or walmart every week about the same time. No bid deal.

Unless maybe there is also someone there on a Watch List...now your location and their's overlap often...perhaps now YOU are on a watch list...

Harvesting data is one thing. Making intelligent and appropriate use of it is another.....

Let's take some real-world examples, that don't have much (if anything) to do with today's level of automated data surveillance.....

Given the ongoing drug problems in BC, RCMP execute many No-Knock entry warrants every year. The # of times they kick down the wrong door is in the thousands. Many times, it's just something as simple as confusion over a civic address.....

Photo-radar was tried here a very long time ago. The real reason it got cancelled was that politicians kept getting photographed in cars, in the company of people that they never should be seen with....... if the problem was solely public outrage over automated tickets (that went to the owner of the vehicle, not the driver), then we'd still have it.

Governments (and today's corporations) have demonstrated little competence in securing and protecting people's data...... setting aside my views on personal privacy for the moment, just the issue of handling the data competently is what concerns me.

That ^ issue is bad enough..... w/o even straying over to the "Tinfoil-Hat" territory of data being faked.

IMO, even if you fall into the (default Marketing Demographic) Nothing to Hide category that most people do, you should be concerned. Otherwise, you are assuming a level of competence and accountability that often isn't present.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Driverless Cars #298  
I for get which book/movie it is, but it's plot revolved around stopping crime BEFORE it occurred. Just thinking about doing something illegal became a crime. thought control!

Who know what pattern "they" find needs more, um, attention. I go to a gun range often, gun stores and such, buy reloading supplies online, look at gun websites, am an NRA member...could be I'm on some list now, who knows?

Maybe some combination of web searches, political postings (likes, etc), purchases, tv shows you watch and BINGO, you're on some list. Maybe not the top of the list, but on a list.

And should you be on ANY list for what you do? own? read? etc?

I've seen what Google watches...it's scary.

The one or two overlaps aren't an issue, even with small to moderate sized data sets, less so with large or what is now being fashionably called big data.
They may trigger searches for other overlaps and if an unusually strong association is found - well now, what have we here ?
If no contra indications, sure they should look at you (or me) a little harder.
I don't have a probelm with that and I don't think any of us should.

It isn't THAT different from the beat cop knowing where we hang out and who we hang there with - and putting that together with who THEY hang out with.
Just MORE info that is better correlated.
I see it largely as better chances of crime PREVENTION.
 
   / Driverless Cars #299  
I for get which book/movie it is, but it's plot revolved around stopping crime BEFORE it occurred. Just thinking about doing something illegal became a crime. thought control!

Who know what pattern "they" find needs more, um, attention. I go to a gun range often, gun stores and such, buy reloading supplies online, look at gun websites, am an NRA member...could be I'm on some list now, who knows?

Maybe some combination of web searches, political postings (likes, etc), purchases, tv shows you watch and BINGO, you're on some list. Maybe not the top of the list, but on a list.

And should you be on ANY list for what you do? own? read? etc?

I've seen what Google watches...it's scary.

Minority Report - Tom Cruise.
 
   / Driverless Cars #300  
I think the first step will be to equip all vehicles with a "transponder" that would broadcast their position, speed, braking, acceleration etc to vehicles around so they could coordinate their action. In example the vehicles would coordinate their speed during heavy traffic resulting in closer spacing and higher speed. Just recently I rented a Toyota Rav4. I caught up with another car and wanted to pass but I couldn't get close enough to it no matter how hard I pressed on the gas pedal. It took me for a while to figure out what was going on. Then I turned the radar off.
 

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