Dump bed Pick Ups

[schmism]

local quary i go to in STL has a min charge of $15. (single axle utility trailer or pickup) the operaters are really good, know how to dump a load and will watch you for direction on how much material you want.

I think the nats arse would be to find a wrecked F350 dually or simular and chop the bed off and turn it into a dump trailer with the dump kit.

then you could hook up behind the CUT if you wanted.

 

[Seon]

I bought an insert some 5 years ago for my truck. I've since sold my truck but kept the insert, built a tandum trailer and mounted it. If I ever decide to buy another work truck, I'll just remove it from the trailer and mount in in the bed.

Pic: http://www.ez-dumper.com/images/products/upload/Pro Pic.jpg

I ran across this pic of my truck loaded with lumber. http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/687113/1184058/181097790.jpg

And here's are pics of the dump bed I removed from the truck. I bought axles from Northern Tools and the steel from a local shop.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL563/2749607/7945938/251814293.jpg

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL563/2749607/7945938/251814275.jpg

It's neat to load trash, go to the dumps, press a button, dump and drive off all in less than 3 minutes.

It's also great to haul gravel, topsoil, rocks or anyother material from the nursery and dump it at home. That's when the J. Deere takes over .

 

[gemini5362]

Quarries are not in the business to load stone at 1/2 a ton a shot...The liability issues of the quarry have been mentioned by others on this thread...

My 86 F350 has hauled on the average 4 tons a trip of yard mix for refinishing my driveway and workareas around the barns...and those loads were HALF Buckets of the smallest loader in the quarry...

During this spring while I was in the quarry getting my load...there were several triaxle semi-trailers being loaded with 75,000lbs of stone for the cement company...THAT'S where their money comes from...

On the insurance side...you should have a very low rate depending on miles used...if you only put about 5K miles on your dump truck each year...your rate should be about $200 a year...

Since I dont know where you live and how much insurance costs are I can only tell you of the quote I got. I believe it was 1200.00 a year for liability only. I pointed out it was going to be a farm vehicle and be used occasionaly for getting sand or gravel from the quarry that is 9 miles from my house. I was told it did not matter the 1200.00 per year price was the minimum they could get the premium for. Since I spend about 8 thousand a year on various insurances. I shop around on a regular basis. With the exception of an inland marine insurance this is the cheapers insurance company in my area.

Since this post first started I bought a dump trailer made from a truck with dual wheels but a single axle. It was a homemade trailer and I have had some problems with getting it all working correctly. I have part of the problems resolved. I still need to get one new wheel and new tires but I have it working well enough to use around my farm. For my use this is the perfect solution. I dont have to pay high insurance fees. In arkansas trailer license is a one time fee. I can hook the trailer up to my tractor and move it around in places that might be harder to get into with a truck. For my use the trailer is a much better way to go.

 

[LBrown59]

I hauled a lot of stone, sand and crushed gravel in my dump pickup when I had it. No one ever refused to load my truck. Not one of them ever did any damage to my truck either. Quality help means quality work.

It sure does.

I had a new 71 ford f250 regular bed PickUp & back then I hauld gravel in it.
There was never any question that anybody would ever refuse to load it.
Such a thought never occured to anyone.

 

[LBrown59]

1*The liability associated with dump trucks, the nature of the materials that they haul, and the claims against them are substantially higher.

2*You may never have a problem, and your insurance may be just fine, but if it was me, they would jerk my insurance if I gave them incomplete information and did not accurately describe the vehicle.

1* I take my regular pick up to get 2 ton of slag & haul it home, then I go back to the slag pit and pick up another 2 ton and take it home in my other pick up that's just like the first one except it has a dump bed.
How can the liability the material hauled or any claim be different between the 2 trucks?
2*I don't think lumping a private owned personally used pick up in with A Mack duel or tandem axle dump truck commercially used for hire is an accurate description of a pick up.

 

[LBrown59]

I have an old D350 flatbed/dump that I got at auction from our state road department. Best $2600.00 I ever spent. I commonly carry two yards of ¾ crushed granite in it. It could carry more, but I live in a hilly area and I’d be pulling the hills at 5mph with any more weight. I also use it for hauling firewood around the property and have stacked it well above the cab without any problems at all. I would never be without one now.

So is insuring it expensive ?

 

[gemini5362]

1* I take my regular pick up to get 2 ton of slag & haul it home, then I go back to the slag pit and pick up another 2 ton and take it home in my other pick up that's just like the first one except it has a dump bed.
How can the liability the material hauled or any claim be different between the 2 trucks?
2*I don't think lumping a private owned personally used pick up in with A Mack duel or tandem axle dump truck commercially used for hire is an accurate description of a pick up.

I believe I have heard you talk about your pickup before does it have a hydraulic dump bed or is it one of the dumps that you wind up something that sets on the bottom of the bed and that dumps it off the back ?

I have posted several times that the insurance quotes I got were pretty substantial. these quotes were for non commercial use of the truck. They were for a 450 truck with single rear axle and dual wheels not a mack truck or a dual axle truck. The rates were for a farm vehicle with limted time on the public roads. The cheapest rates on any vehicle I have ever had were when I listed it as a farm vehicle with limited time on public roads. Whether the rates that I was quoted were fair or not I do not know. I just know what they were. I hope that someone that has a dump truck that they use for non commercial use would give us an idea of their rates. The rates I am being quoted might be something peculiar to arkansas.

 

[LBrown59]

1*It doesn't make sense to me to buy a truck, pay for insurance, license plates, fuel, and other maintenance for a vehicle that is only going to get used a couple of times a year.
Carter Lumber delivers for 25 dollars and the dump truck guy delivers 20 tons of bulk material (gravel, etc) for 65 dollars. In my case, it's cheaper to drive my little car, and pay someone to deliver if I ever need it.

And it don't make sense to me to pay places like lumber yards and trucking COs. delivery fees or charges when I already own a truck and am paying the insurance license plates fuel and maintenance on my truck.

 

[capt_met]

i was shopping for a dump insert and as a last try for an alternative picked up a loadlandler. i got the 1 1/2 ton model. for $150.00 it has been a great purchase. load my 1 ton w/ mulch, gravel, crusher run, dirt doesn't matter. very easy turning the crank to empty the bed. the added benifit is it doesn't weigh as much as an insert. dump insert weighs around 600# and i would rather have the payload available.
good luck,

 

[LBrown59]

i was shopping for a dump insert and as a last try for an alternative picked up a loadlandler. i got the 1 1/2 ton model. for $150.00 it has been a great purchase. load my 1 ton w/ mulch, gravel, crusher run, dirt doesn't matter. very easy turning the crank to empty the bed. the added benifit is it doesn't weigh as much as an insert. dump insert weighs around 600# and i would rather have the payload available.
good luck,

I bought a load handler last summer at wall mart for 89 dollars. Best 89 bucks I ever spent! They sure as heck beat unloading with a shovel. I was into wall mart about a month ago and they still had one like mine left marked down to 40 dollars. I should have bought it.
It will work with my Toyota, Nissan and 86 and 89 dodge D-50 pick ups.
I hauled 36 loads of dirt with it in my D~50 from up on the hill behind me down to the front road ditch that I was filling in. I can only haul 1000 pounds in that little truck so 36 loads was 18 tons of dirt that I hauled.
Don't forget to lay the thing out in the floor of the bed before loading. Been there done that and didn't like the results.
Also always make sure the tailgate is up and latched before you load.
I loaded mine once and forgot to close the tail gate first; didn't care for those results either.
The load handler is nice but I'd still like to have a 3/4 or one tone pick up with a dump lift so I could haul more than I can with the little import trucks.
Also I wouldn't have to crank it like I do the load handler.
With a dump you just dump and go with no cleaning out the bed and setting up the load handler in preparation for the next load. If your making many trips to hall several loads that's a great advantage over the load handler.
I have given some thought of replacing the load handler crank with a pulley and a belt to an electric motor to crank the load handler to unload.
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I've seen lift kits for about 8 or 9 hundred dollars that don't weigh near as much as a 600 Lb. insert.

 

[LBrown59]

I believe I have heard you talk about your pickup before does it have a hydraulic dump bed or is it one of the dumps that you wind up something that sets on the bottom of the bed and that dumps it off the back ?

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See post 70

 

[capt_met]

i think you have to decide how much use the dump will get. if loading multiple times a week i wouldn't go with a loadhandler or insert. may be time to pull the bed off and put a dump on. but for use with 1/2- 3/4 tons i would go with the loadhandler and use the insert money towards a dump trailer or older 1 ton dump. i am also concerned about the lifts that use the original truck bed. i have read of people twisting their bed with them. i guess if the kit addresses that that could be another option. i just wanted to throw the loadhandler out there as an option for pick ups.
good luck,

 

[Rara Avis]

Since I dont know where you live and how much insurance costs are I can only tell you of the quote I got. I believe it was 1200.00 a year for liability only. I pointed out it was going to be a farm vehicle and be used occasionaly for getting sand or gravel from the quarry that is 9 miles from my house. I was told it did not matter the 1200.00 per year price was the minimum they could get the premium for. Since I spend about 8 thousand a year on various insurances. I shop around on a regular basis. With the exception of an inland marine insurance this is the cheapers insurance company in my area.

Since this post first started I bought a dump trailer made from a truck with dual wheels but a single axle. It was a homemade trailer and I have had some problems with getting it all working correctly. I have part of the problems resolved. I still need to get one new wheel and new tires but I have it working well enough to use around my farm. For my use this is the perfect solution. I dont have to pay high insurance fees. In arkansas trailer license is a one time fee. I can hook the trailer up to my tractor and move it around in places that might be harder to get into with a truck. For my use the trailer is a much better way to go.

VT
USAA
25 years without an accident...knock on the formica...
Only operators are myself and my wife...no hired hands or anyone else for that matter use the truck

$1200 for liability only on a 1 ton farm vehicle...you need to speak to your Farm Bureau, this is Arkansas' (http://www.arfb.com/) and get a lead on a better insurance policy or is there something in your driving history?? (Not being judgmental, just curious about why the costs are so high...email me)

I fully support your use of a dump trailer if you are looking at $1200 for liability only...

My major concern with dump trailers in their ability of their axles to take the SHOCK of loading if the skiploader's bucket is a shade high when he tips it...

 

[LBrown59]

1*I have posted several times that the insurance quotes I got were pretty substantial.
2* these quotes were for non commercial use of the truck.
3* They were for a 450 truck with single rear axle and dual wheels not a Mack truck or a dual axle truck.
4*The rates were for a farm vehicle with limited time on the public roads.
5* Whether the rates that I was quoted were fair or not I do not know.
6*I hope that someone that has a dump truck that they use for non commercial use would give us an idea of their rates.
7*The rates I am being quoted might be something peculiar to Arkansas.

1* They sure sound awful high to me.
2* Their commercial rate must be out of sight.
3* I'd be afraid to ask for their rate on a Mack duel axle dump truck.
4* I'd hate to see their rate on a non farm unlimited use.
5*They don't sound very good to me.
6*So do I.
7*Or the insurer.
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Wonder what their rate would be on a tandem axle Mack dump truck driven frequently for commercial purposes and not a farm vehicle.

 

[gemini5362]

1* They sure sound awful high to me.
2* Their commercial rate must be out of sight.
3* I'd be afraid to ask for their rate on a Mack duel axle dump truck.
4* I'd hate to see their rate on a non farm unlimited use.
5*They don't sound very good to me.
6*So do I.
7*Or the insurer.
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Wonder what their rate would be on a tandem axle Mack dump truck driven frequently for commercial purposes and not a farm vehicle.

1. They are the cheapest insurer I have found around my part of the country
2. I dont know what it is I dont buy commercial insurance.
3. I probably wont ask because I have no intention of buying one.
4. You probably wont have to find out since you live so far away from their office.
5. They sound good to me they beat everyone else by quite a bit
7. Not the insurer to the best of my knowledge I have checked others on several things.

 

[LBrown59]

One of the main reasons they will not load pickups and small trailers is liability issues ie you take it out on the road and hurt some one and they will also try and come back on the quarry with a hoist on a small pickup you are going to be close to its rated weight without anything in the bed you will be lucky if you can hall much more than a half a yard of stone with out being over weight

I could haul 4 to 5 thousand pounds on the 1971 Ford 3/4 ton pick up I had.
Even figuring in the weight of a hoist there is still a lot of that 4 to 5 K Lbs.
left for cargo.

I'd rather carry a little less and dump it with the aid of a hoist than carry even more in a PickUp with out the hoist and have to shovel the larger load out of that danged pick up.

 

[LBrown59]

I had a Uni-Hoist setup years ago in my old Ford F250 4X4. It worked great for what it was. It is better to dump dowhill than to try and dump uphill just so you know in advance. Shoveling is required for overloaded pickups. An 8 foot bed filled flat with washed crushed cement sand weights 6000 pounds. Be aware of this should you try it sometime. Going through the scales at 11,200 pounds made the weight guy run out to warn me. I did have 13 leaf springs on the rear and was not dead axled. It was a scary ride home.

I could haul 4 or 5 k lbs. in the 1971 ford f250 camper special i had back then and it handled it well.
I did haul 6000 pounds on it once and that was a bit to much.

 

[windy acers]

I believe I have heard you talk about your pickup before does it have a hydraulic dump bed or is it one of the dumps that you wind up something that sets on the bottom of the bed and that dumps it off the back ?

I have posted several times that the insurance quotes I got were pretty substantial. these quotes were for non commercial use of the truck. They were for a 450 truck with single rear axle and dual wheels not a mack truck or a dual axle truck. The rates were for a farm vehicle with limted time on the public roads. The cheapest rates on any vehicle I have ever had were when I listed it as a farm vehicle with limited time on public roads. Whether the rates that I was quoted were fair or not I do not know. I just know what they were. I hope that someone that has a dump truck that they use for non commercial use would give us an idea of their rates. The rates I am being quoted might be something peculiar to arkansas.

1996 f 450 farm use dump truck insurance liability only 50 mile radius $357.00for 1 year. ERIE INSURANCE 100 ERIE PLACE ERIE PA 16530

 

[LBrown59]

I have an EZ-Dump on a 1995 F250 and it works great. We have had it for 8 years. We love it. It can handle a yard of 3/4 stone. And I haul a yard of sand in it all winter for ballast while plowing and to sand ice. It is a light dump truck, but for moving small loads of bark, chips, loam and stone it is tough.

Is it insured as a pick up or as a dump truck?
Is it classified as a personal or commercial veh. by the insurer ?

 

[LBrown59]

My dump pickup was called a pickup because the bed was the original equipment and not a dump truck style bed.

There is a world of difference between a pick up that dumps and a real dump truck.