E85 for American Fuel Independence !

[AchingBack]

Now this.

Feds Push More Ethanol Into Gasoline, But Can Your Car Take It? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/feds-push-more-ethanol-into-gasoline-but-will-164706945.html
On Monday, federal regulators set out new targets for how much ethanol should be mixed into gasoline through 2016 and the goals are aggressive enough to push the emergence of fuels that many automakers don't approve of in their new vehicles.

 

[Copperhead]

They set out new levels of biofuels usage, but they did not change and mandates on how much is used per gallon. E10 will still be E10, E15 is not required. And there is other levels that are optional.. E20, E30, E85. None of which are being mandated.

And don't forget, while the EPA has set new levels for biofuels, that include all forms of biofuels, not just ethanol. In other words, the sky is not falling. No one is going to be forced to use higher levels of ethanol in their autos. Even if they mandated E15 for late model autos, there will still be E10 in the next pump for the older autos. And anyone who doesn't want to use E15 can just move over to the E10 pump and fill up.

 

[AchingBack]

They set out new levels of biofuels usage, but they did not change and mandates on how much is used per gallon. E10 will still be E10, E15 is not required. And there is other levels that are optional.. E20, E30, E85. None of which are being mandated.

And don't forget, while the EPA has set new levels for biofuels, that include all forms of biofuels, not just ethanol. In other words, the sky is not falling. No one is going to be forced to use higher levels of ethanol in their autos. Even if they mandated E15 for late model autos, there will still be E10 in the next pump for the older autos. And anyone who doesn't want to use E15 can just move over to the E10 pump and fill up.

Doesn't matter because as long as ethanol is being subsidized by tax dollars we are still being forced to buy E10 and paying more at the pump for corny gas. And, you can't use it in your gas powered lawn equipment. I vote NO on being forced to buy anything.

 

[Diamondpilot]

They set out new levels of biofuels usage, but they did not change and mandates on how much is used per gallon. E10 will still be E10, E15 is not required. And there is other levels that are optional.. E20, E30, E85. None of which are being mandated. And don't forget, while the EPA has set new levels for biofuels, that include all forms of biofuels, not just ethanol. In other words, the sky is not falling. No one is going to be forced to use higher levels of ethanol in their autos. Even if they mandated E15 for late model autos, there will still be E10 in the next pump for the older autos. And anyone who doesn't want to use E15 can just move over to the E10 pump and fill up.

I not so sure. For example , in Indiana we have no choice other than E10 or E85 for on road use. All diesel has to also have 2% bio.

It won't take long till they mandate it just as they have E10

Chris

 

[Fordman1981]

I not so sure. For example , in Indiana we have no choice other than E10 or E85 for on road use. All diesel has to also have 2% bio. It won't take long till they mandate it just as they have E10 Chris

They can't do that too many new vehicles that can't run higher than E10. I think it's like someone else said they may mandate E15 for new vehicles but they will have to still carry E10 for the millions of vehicles that can't run it.

 

[Copperhead]

Exactly. Folks get all wound up before they actually think the situation thru. Even the E15 I am using now, the pump is very clear, both on the pump and on the nozzle handle, that it is only allowed in flex fuel vehicles or vehicles made after 2001. So that clearly means that E10 will still be available for the others, even if some sort of mandate comes along for E15.

But DP, Indiana is deciding for you about what fuel is available, not the Feds. In Iowa, we can get ethanol free in both regular and premium any day of the year. Every town in a full circle around me has ethanol free available right at the same pumps everyone gets E10 at. Iowa allows the choice. The Feds do mandate that a certain level of ethanol be used, but they do not dictate to everyone that ethanol free cannot be sold right along side it. States and retail stations make those decisions for you. Now to be fair, some major metro areas get federal pressure because of air issues and such. But there is no nationwide mandate that only E10 be available at the pump. The Renewable Fuel Standard only dictates that a certain amount of ethanol be used. They don't care if it gets used as E10, E15, E20, E30, or E85 (which all of these are available in my area). And the more that is targeted toward the higher blend levels, the less that is available for making E10. There is not enough ethanol being made to make all gasoline at the pump E10.

 

[AchingBack]

There is no logical reason to use ethanol.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Exactly. Folks get all wound up before they actually think the situation thru. Even the E15 I am using now, the pump is very clear, both on the pump and on the nozzle handle, that it is only allowed in flex fuel vehicles or vehicles made after 2001. So that clearly means that E10 will still be available for the others, even if some sort of mandate comes along for E15. But DP, Indiana is deciding for you about what fuel is available, not the Feds. In Iowa, we can get ethanol free in both regular and premium any day of the year. Every town in a full circle around me has ethanol free available right at the same pumps everyone gets E10 at. Iowa allows the choice. The Feds do mandate that a certain level of ethanol be used, but they do not dictate to everyone that ethanol free cannot be sold right along side it. States and retail stations make those decisions for you. Now to be fair, some major metro areas get federal pressure because of air issues and such. But there is no nationwide mandate that only E10 be available at the pump. The Renewable Fuel Standard only dictates that a certain amount of ethanol be used. They don't care if it gets used as E10, E15, E20, E30, or E85 (which all of these are available in my area). And the more that is targeted toward the higher blend levels, the less that is available for making E10. There is not enough ethanol being made to make all gasoline at the pump E10.

Must be nice. No one carries ethanol free around here other than a few airports. Even the Marinas gave up and now only have E10 at the 3 lakes I visit.

As for mandating E15 if they want it to happen it should be no issue for them to push it through. I seriously doubt it will effect most vehicles already setup to run E10.

Chris

 

[Copperhead]

There is no logical reason to use ethanol.

Really? Let's see... non ethanol gas costs $2.36 a gallon in my area. E15 gas costs $1.82. While I do lose about 1 mpg from using E15, my actual cost per mile for fuel is 3 cents a mile less by using E15. I think that is a very logical reason to use it. And my wallet agrees!

 

[MossRoad]

Eddie - there are no government subsidies for Ethanol. It is a GREAT product, not a "horrible product". The voters in states that grow corn do not have enough votes to put or keep someone in national office. There is no welfare here. Thanks for your opinion. Merry Christmas

There's government subsidies for corn.