EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage

   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #191  
cetane levels for diesel fuels is pathetically low compared to Europe, where 60-70 MPG in a diesel sedan is not uncommon.
Actually, CA has a minimum cetane level of 53 (vs the EU standard of 51). The reasons EU cars can get such high MPG ratings are twofold:
  1. Smaller engines, 1.2-1.4L diesel engines are common there (vs the 1.9L in the US market Jetta TDI)
  2. Many of those comparisons use IMPERIAL gallons (1 US gallon = 0.832674 Imperial gallons)
    70 I MPG*0.832674 = ~58.29 US MPG
    60 I MPG*0.832674 = ~49.96 US MPG
  3. The EPA fuel efficiency rating system is different than the EU/UK system(s).
See also: snopes.com: Volkswagen Passat

Aaron Z
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #192  
I was thinking about doing a resonator delete but I watched some videos on youtube and it did not seem that loud. I think I am going to do a muffler delete and keep the resonator.

And you'll likely wind up with some nasty drone at highway speeds.
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #193  
And you'll likely wind up with some nasty drone at highway speeds.

I had to read that 3 times. My first reading I thought you where implying that if you touched emissions stuff you would be targeted by EPA armed Drones...
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #194  
Don't forget that emissions regs are more stringent here as well.

Really? There are far more things to go wrong on a diesel. Just ask anyone who has had a DPF go south on them. Or a DEF sensor. Or any of the other myriad number of things that could go wrong on a diesel.

I drive a diesel, but I don't pretend that there are fewer things to go wrong with a diesel.

And they use an imperial gallon which is 120% that of our US gallon.

Chris
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #195  
Well I disagree with a lot of your points. First off most of the failures are the crappy designed EPA mandated parts, not the engines themselves. The part, left alone can do engine damage, on some models.
The EPA sets standards with ZERO idea if those standards can ever be met, and it's one hellova job for the engineers to design a system that works AND will hold up.
Second, my daughter is one perfect candidate for a small truck/diesel combo. She lives in the city, but likes to bicycle and take the dog with her on walks and runs, so a truck is a big bonus. She, like me does not like getting dog hair in your face as you drive down the freeway, so the dog rides outside.

The Ecoboost does not compare mileage to even the Ram 1500. Ever hear of anyone getting 19 mpg towing 7000lbs with one? Didn't think so. Most just get 20 unloaded. Then to get 30 MPG when empty is icing on the cake.

Fuel costs? Uhh wrong again. Here in CA most diesel is at or under the 87 octane gas. Where I buy mine, diesel is 3.99 and 87 is 4.11. Prices on fuels fluctuate based on stockbrokers whims so that can go anywhere.

Based on prices I have seen on Ecoboost trucks, the diesels are no higher. Not sure about your area, but they are pricey here.

Emissions systems are evolving as well. The Ford 6.0 was a Navistar engine and so was the 6.4 but Ford knew their relationship had come to an end, and was not happy with the poorly designed systems they put on it. The new 6.7 is a Ford engine, and has had little issues, thus far.

GM just recently got a patent on an electric DPF system, that does away with the need to spray piss in your exhaust (urea based DEF) and will put the heavy trucks back in the low 20's for MPG, and the small cars and trucks in the high 30's and 40's.

I do not understand the logic in saying they are cost prohibitive, when you look at cars like the VW Jetta TDI with 45-48 MPG. My neighbor has one and he only gets oil and filter changes, never needs anything else. BMW now has 7 models of diesel cars, and most will be available in the US. Nearly every manufacturer will be offering diesel in the next year or so.

Efficiency wise, the gas engines will NEVER produce the power for fuel consumed, that diesels do. Horsepower does not do the work, torque does, and gas engines have to have far more displacement or fuel to provide it. As for running out of steam? What speeds do you drive? With the newer 8 speed transmissions, most light diesels are coming with, there is a ratio for any road condition or speed any sane person will drive.

Diesel performance is achieved with the crappy fuel we get as well. Gassers need the 91 octane to get anywhere close power wise, and the cetane levels for diesel fuels is pathetically low compared to Europe, where 60-70 MPG in a diesel sedan is not uncommon.

Plus an ignition system failure is one less issue to worry about.

The diesel ram is about $3000 more than the hemi. The hemi makes more power than the diesel with similar torque. Diesel in the Midwest is more expensive than gas at the pump so something is obviously different in California. I agree that it is a great setup for fuel efficiency but don't see a financial advantage over the hemi. It does have a cool factor and would be a great fit for many like your daughter who doesn't require a huge payload capacity unless her dog is a mastiff.

What I meant about running out of steam is just that. The small diesel just felt lethargic at highway speeds. When I stepped on the gas to pass, the lack of HP became evident
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #196  
The diesel ram is about $3000 more than the hemi. The hemi makes more power than the diesel with similar torque. Diesel in the Midwest is more expensive than gas at the pump so something is obviously different in California. I agree that it is a great setup for fuel efficiency but don't see a financial advantage over the hemi. It does have a cool factor and would be a great fit for many like your daughter who doesn't require a huge payload capacity unless her dog is a mastiff.

What I meant about running out of steam is just that. The small diesel just felt lethargic at highway speeds. When I stepped on the gas to pass, the lack of HP became evident

I have a Mastiff. Dumbest dog but loyal as can be.

Chris
 

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   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #197  
Horsepower does not do the work, torque does, and gas engines have to have far more displacement or fuel to provide it.

I'd be rich if I got a nickel every time I correct someone for this popular misconception. While agree with some of your points, the one I quoted is wrong. Horsepower "does" the work. That's why it has 'power' in the word. I think what you meant was that gasoline HP ratings at very high rpm's that won't be used daily are kind of useless. That I would agree with.
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #198  
I'd be rich if I got a nickel every time I correct someone for this popular misconception. While agree with some of your points, the one I quoted is wrong. Horsepower "does" the work. That's why it has 'power' in the word. I think what you meant was that gasoline HP ratings at very high rpm's that won't be used daily are kind of useless. That I would agree with.
Yep my ktm motorcyle I purchased last weekend produces about 40 HP out of a 200 cc motor. It gets some work done once you hit about 8000 rpms. Making decent torque at high rpm equals large HP. Unfortunately diesels are not designed to rev at the higher rpms which kills their HP numbers. When you study the torque curves of competing engines, you see the whole story. My 200 cc motor is the opposite of the diesel, doesnt do well at low rpms but hold on tight when it hits the pipe. Big advantage for turbo charged gassers because they produce good torque down low and high.
 
   / EcoDiesel, A Maiden Voyage #200  
The diesel ram is about $3000 more than the hemi.

Its a $2,850 charge at MSRP and no one pays MSRP.

Horsepower "does" the work.
Torque does the work, horse power determines how quickly the torque can be applied.

"horsepower is a measure of work/time, where torque is a measure of work." A much more technical discussion;
The Meaning of Horsepower and Torque ROUSH Performance Blog


Right now, diesel is the same price or a bit lower than 87 octane gas in my area. This is not typical, in the winter, diesel can be as much as $.70 more per gallon.
 

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