Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[buickanddeere]

The Brownies like profit.

Government never grew wealth and prosperity. Look at every socialist and communist experiment .

 

[buickanddeere]

We need to continue to innovate, the problem is, when a product is pushed, it normally is because someone is making a bundle of money (often from subsidies or grants or ??), not so much as the technology is good. History shows that any decent improvement in ICE is quickly shut down by big oil (yes, I believe that conspiracy theory). I think we all agree that we could do much better at using the energy in a gallon of gas/diesel.

Surely you don't believe in the 200 mpg carburetor ?
If you care to do a little basic math and figure home many btu it takes to accelerate a vehicle to speed then maintain velocity against cooling friction and aerodynamic drag . Then look at how many but there is in a gallon of gasoline. It becomes obvious that any ,minor gains in mileage come at high cost and complexity.

 

[Egon]

Government never grew wealth and prosperity. Look at every socialist and communist experiment .

Government??

Again confusion and lack of continuity seem to have evaded your senses.

 

[houstonscott]

I think the real beginning future of hybrids and the real world use can be seen now in the new MB C350e. You greenies who don't follow F1 are probably unaware of where the real development of hybrids has taken place, and Tesla is no where to be found. The system set up to maximize performance and ensure a truly front line sedan in your driveway. The MB350e is already the best hybrid and the guru's don't even know way or what it does. Gearhead.

 

[Egon]

Looks interesting HS.
One could call it a small Gas-Electric version of the diesel train.

You may not have noticed but the concept has been mentioned more than once on this forum and in different threads.

As an aside: electric motors direct driving each wheel could make for a very nice traction control and braking system as well as eliminating a whole pile of drive train components. Make for much simpler suspension systems. It could even lead to electric dampers that contribute to battery charging.

Body design could include insulation to reduce hvac loads. Windows with embeded electric heating elements may work better than blown air.

Charging stations could be of many different types.

So many possibilities!

 

[houstonscott]

I watched 2017 Mercedes-Benz C350e – Full Review & Test Drive - 217 Mercedes-Benz C35e – Full Review & Test Drive - YouTube using Video Tube.

 

[houstonscott]

Looks interesting HS. One could call it a small Gas-Electric version of the diesel train. You may not have noticed but the concept has been mentioned more than once on this forum and in different threads. As an aside: electric motors direct driving each wheel could make for a very nice traction control and braking system as well as eliminating a whole pile of drive train components. Make for much simpler suspension systems. It could even lead to electric dampers that contribute to battery charging. Body design could include insulation to reduce hvac loads. Windows with embeded electric heating elements may work better than blown air. Charging stations could be of many different types. So many possibilities!

It's way more significant an improvement, it's like someone acutely made a real hybrid. Listen very carefully to the guy explain what this car does, it leaves the amateurs in the dust.

 

[IslandTractor]

It's way more significant an improvement, it's like someone acutely made a real hybrid. Listen very carefully to the guy explain what this car does, it leaves the amateurs in the dust.

Can't look at the YouTube right now but if that is the same technology MB had on their ML hybrid then I'd say it is an equally good engineering idea to separate drive wheel motors but not obviously better. MB had the ML version for lease only for a few years. Didn't really take off but was an interesting experiment.

 

[aeblank]

Just realized......
HoustonScott in this thread is kinda like I.T. in the Wicked Grapple thread....
Just sayin'...... :drink:

Personally, I like the tech in electric (mostly) and hybrid (somewhat) vehicles. Though I think it makes way more sense in fleet vehicles, as much larger gains are possible.
I despise the politics (subsidies, global warming/environmental alarmists, EPA, and the (lack of) logic).

Carry on. :cool2:

 

[houstonscott]

Just realized...... HoustonScott in this thread is kinda like I.T. in the Wicked Grapple thread.... Just sayin'...... :drink: Personally, I like the tech in electric (mostly) and hybrid (somewhat) vehicles. Though I think it makes way more sense in fleet vehicles, as much larger gains are possible. I despise the politics (subsidies, global warming/environmental alarmists, EPA, and the (lack of) logic). Carry on. :cool2:

Whatever, I would worry about the life of an ice engine that's designed to come on and off so often. My guess the ice engine in a hybrid will be very short lived.