eMax 22/25 info?

   / eMax 22/25 info? #81  
Thanks guys for the posts about the eMax Hydrostatic transmission whine. I'll get used to it. I mow our church yard with a 20+ year old hydrostatic John Deere 430 diesel lawn and garden tractor. The last time I mowed with it I had to try to listen for the hydrostatic transmission "whine". It whines some too, but I just never noticed. I'm so used to it. :)
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #82  
My skid steer was pretty loud. My emax22 is somewhat loud. Just something I'd expect from this type of machine.

-- Joe
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #83  
Let me tell America about my saga with Mahindra I purchased and finances a emax gear with ag tires 2014 tractor in September 2014 I ordered a burcomac snowplow with said tractor . dealer had no info on parts hydraulics nothing in the computer for the tractor and set up for plow not his fault, not avallible. tractor came in in three weeks, I took delivery of tractor, then after two months dealer gathered up all hoses parts sub frame and plow, I told him I will assemble the tractor I do not want to return it. He could not provide me with any diagrams or scamatics not avalible just one small diagram for hydraulic block on tractor that turned out to be wrong. now I get the snow plow it fits the max series tractors made by mishubishi, then I find out the snow plow for my emax 22 gear has not been put into production yet,or modified yet, Mahindra compromised the snowplow made for a mishubishi max tractor and had manufacturer redesign to fit emax tym tractor, this fit proved barely acceptable lowering front of snow plow a bit too low running sub frame down hill.. back goes the first subframe and plow and a new one now only avalible two months after purchase must be ordered. now we are into three and a half months still no complete tractor I am going on my forth payment. new plow and sub frame come in Sub frame assembled backwards from factory I mount plow bend subfram in front . fix problem block diagram supplied is wrong, make trip to dealer and look at loader application to correct. I made 20 calls to Mahindra I got a lot of listening a lot of no returned calls and never did they admit we did you wrong we are sorry what will make things right. needless to say I improved their application and added additional side braces to sub frame and muddled through all the confusion. This plow was never designed for the emax and does not fit properly , does not raise up high enough as it does on the max tractor, it was intended to fit. sub frame runs down hill toward front of tractor sits too low. a separate subframe should have been designed for this tractor, Mahindra should not have cut corners. bottom line Mahindra never really cared to do all they could to help me I talked with many people, never did the regional rep stop and care as they should have, it was ignored and swept under the rug. bottom line with the improvements I made welding mounts to subframe adding bolt in front instead of pin and adding side support arms to sub frame, the tractor is as good as it can possible be. 0rdered wheel weights came in did not fit bolts wrong size still all forgiven, turned down weights in lathe repainted bought new bolts put Chains on tires front and back. after over four months tractor finally ready to go. well here in western pa whole month of december not a half inch of snow, go figure. but I had six big piles of sand and gravel mix back filling property, I though I would see what this tractor would do. Being gentle I pealed away at the piles of sand and gravel mix. Now for the Good, this machine with the burcomac 62 in powerangle snow plow did far more than I ever could ask, snow is due tomorrow jan 6 2015 we shall see how well she does on the snow,. Now in closing. I bought the emax because it was the only tractor offered In a gear, had I known before hand all I learned the hard way I would have bought the max series made in japan by mishubeshi the tractor the plow was designed to fit. My tractor shall do fine, it is the best set up In America for a subcompact with a snowplow I am sure, Had Mahindra not been so eager to rush things and done things right from the start, having a new subframe designed for this tractor, this customer would have not had to go through **** for four months and would not have to live with a application that shall never completely be right in my opinion. for the sub frame should run square to frame from front to back. Mahindra usa spends millions of dollars telling America about this so call customer satisfaction and loyalty, well in this instance they all ran for cover leaving me John Q public holding the bag. What about all the other emax customers who do not realize they too have a tractor that has a snow plow mounted that is not a proper fit?. Robert h Joswiak fombell pa
 
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   / eMax 22/25 info? #84  
Robert,

Interesting experience. You are understandably frustrated. Other eMax customers, without your fabricating and problem-solving skills may well be experiencing similar problems.

The Mitsubishi built Max tractors seem to be well engineered and supported. The eMax built by TYM may be having teething problems.

Within 1 mile of our home, 7 neighbors own pretty new Mahindra tractors. The only neighbor not fully loving his tractor is the TYM built emax22. Many small repair problems in the first 6 months of ownership. Fortunately, our local Mahindra dealer is an excellent operation and they have worked closely with our eMax22 neighbor to correct these problems.

Good luck as you move forward and PLEASE keep us updated.
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #85  
Robert,

Thanks for sharing a painful experience. Honestly, I've seen fitment issues on new models before. There is no excuse for it, but it happens. When a new model is coming to market, there are a lot of things happening. Loaders, backhoes, mowers and snow equipment fitments are being made, generally on a pre-production sample sent over ahead of time for that purpose. Let's say Bercomac makes a perfect fit, but then the loader guy finishes his design and then the tire guys finalize the tire/wheel combo. If anybody in that chain changes anything, it often will affect the other....meaning another fitment or fine tuning of that fitment. Then there are the marketing guys writing up all the biggest specs and not wanting any changes and the sales guys that are promising a short timeline. Of course this is nothing new and ought to work seamlessly, but by your description it did not. As a dealer, I'd never let a customer install his own sub-frame on a new model. But it appears you are exceptionally qualified and handy, so that may be why they made that exception.

BTW, the Max26XL comes in a gear (shuttle model) and since it is essentially the same as the 2415/2516/Max28XL....everything fits on the first try. That being said, it is also quite a bit more $ since it is a made in Japan product and a little bigger to boot.

We have installed Bercomac (Mahindra) plows and blowers on the Max series and 16 series and have been totally impressed with the fitment and quality. Very, very nice stuff. Makes me wish we had snow here in the valleys of California.

Robert, you sound like a talented guy, I hope you stick around TBN and contribute.
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #86  
Robert,

Interesting experience. You are understandably frustrated. Other eMax customers, without your fabricating and problem-solving skills may well be experiencing similar problems.

The Mitsubishi built Max tractors seem to be well engineered and supported. The eMax built by TYM may be having teething problems.

Within 1 mile of our home, 7 neighbors own pretty new Mahindra tractors. The only neighbor not fully loving his tractor is the TYM built emax22. Many small repair problems in the first 6 months of ownership. Fortunately, our local Mahindra dealer is an excellent operation and they have worked closely with our eMax22 neighbor to correct these problems.

Good luck as you move forward and PLEASE keep us updated.
thanks for the info, the max made in japan is a better and more proven built tractor yet the emax with the most modern design in tractor technology has not been proven yet, the gear drive appears to be well built, the hydro model sounds a bit lacking, the elimination of the top and bottom supports on the front outer drives is very different, I saw masseys compacts are the same I wonder if those tractors are tym as well ,in any event I wish now I has Gone with the max mishubishi tractor, yet I shall see how well things Go, on the snow plow issue I believe it shall come back to bite Mahindra in the long run
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #87  
Robert,

Under the circumstances, do you think you could negotiate a favorable trade agreement with the Mahindra Dealer? (for a mitsubishi built machine). Perhaps Mahindra "corporate" would be willing to extend some financial courtesies to make this happen?
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #88  
Robert,

Under the circumstances, do you think you could negotiate a favorable trade agreement with the Mahindra Dealer? (for a mitsubishi built machine). Perhaps Mahindra "corporate" would be willing to extend some financial courtesies to make this happen?

well after endless calls to Mahindra, it appeared they cared not, even my dealer who did not have to deal with all the mess seeing I did all the work just backed away , being in the middle I think he was afraid of any reprisal from Mahindra . Since I already have one loader arm support , that was the only way they could mount the joystick seeing they did not design a auxiliary mount for the snow plow or blower application , I asked if they could get me the other arm to match, for the trouble I went through, as I might want to build my own loader seeing the joystick and all hydraulics where the same as on a loader, the request was repeatedly ignored. So we see what Mahindra is really like when we get down to it, If they would have stepped up to the plate and tried to do something for me any thing I would have been happy, but no dice
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #89  
Robert, the snowplow sub-frame uses the loader hydraulics. I don't know of any dealers selling snow plows on a bare tractor. Because as you have found out, you then have no valve and no valve mount. It's easy enough to fabricate a mount and purchase a valve, but as far as I know, the plow or blower requires a loader to make it all bolt on without buying parts or fabricating. The fact that your dealer did not know this (my assumption....there may be more information from the dealer end...) and let you be the installer caused your grief. Had he installed, he could not have delivered until it was correct. Rest assured that would motivate him and he would have been calling Mahindra to get the needed help.

But at this point you have it mounted and we hope it works well for you. Thanks again for sharing.
 
   / eMax 22/25 info? #90  
Robert, the snowplow sub-frame uses the loader hydraulics. I don't know of any dealers selling snow plows on a bare tractor. Because as you have found out, you then have no valve and no valve mount. It's easy enough to fabricate a mount and purchase a valve, but as far as I know, the plow or blower requires a loader to make it all bolt on without buying parts or fabricating. The fact that your dealer did not know this (my assumption....there may be more information from the dealer end...) and let you be the installer caused your grief. Had he installed, he could not have delivered until it was correct. Rest assured that would motivate him and he would have been calling Mahindra to get the needed help.

But at this point you have it mounted and we hope it works well for you. Thanks again for sharing.
Mahindra does infact offer the snow plow and or the snowblower only as an option with the emax, they include the one loader support that has the added joystick plate where the joystick mounts and all the same quick connects as the loader , same set up. this is the only way they could market seeing they had no other basic mounting arm for this application . the support arm is over kill, had they offered a reduce price package for loader and snow plow seeing you have the one arm and hydraulics I would have gone for it, they should have done a bit more thinking before they offered to their dealers the availability of the emax with plow snow plow. I have been in contact numerous times with the engineering departments of both Mahindra and burcomac. In my opinion the plow and subframe are a very good quality , but the plow wad designed for the max tractor made in japan by mishubishi and not the emax made by tym. My emax gear so far has preformed well but it only has 11 hours we shall see how things Go. The bottom line is a compromise was made that in my opinion is not an acceptable application and the end result is the plow does not have enough lift and when on uneven terrain at times touches the ground in the fully up position. to compound this problem the ag tires are the largest tires of which I ordered, usa made too!, if a customer gets the industrial or turf the problems I have described will only be compounded
 

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