Esab, Lincoln or Miller

   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #41  
I bought a Miller Diversion 180 because I'm just a casual weldor and I have local support in our small town. It's been a perfect match for my requirements (and the fan only runs based on internal temperature.) I don't want to take a college course to figure out how to configure my TIG machine.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #42  
I bought a Miller Diversion 180 because I'm just a casual weldor and I have local support in our small town. It's been a perfect match for my requirements (and the fan only runs based on internal temperature.) I don't want to take a college course to figure out how to configure my TIG machine.

Yes sir, That's what it's for.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller
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#43  
I think one the of problems with the Everlast is the lack of a dealer in certain areas (Like mine). When I ask at the local welding places no one knew anything about the machines and said they really couldn't help with them (service/sales/etc). They could be the greatest machine ever made but the lack of a local dealer is really what turned me away. Again, not a slam on the machine at all, just a heads up why I really didn't consider them a whole lot.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #44  
I've never seen an Everlast, let alone touched one.
Been watching these bell & whistle machines come and go since the 80s, back then Lincoln had a phone jack on the machine so it could call home for help & instructions.

Recall a fellow in the TV repair business who figured out that business was dead so he instantly became the world X Spert on plasma. He went away. Nother felow a slightly nutty school science teacher wid bunkers in his yard was bringin in a container at a time of some brand. He died and California had to spend a million cleanin de mess he left up.

Nother company called Longevity or such, they seem to have died off.

Mark is sorta like that fellow called himself Eaton Compressor bolting foreign components together in a storage building. Been around a while and dat don't happen unless Mark's making most his buyers happy...

Bein an old fart, I got some on board history to bounce all these new/improved/super/9 sizes in a single sock machines off of.
Most de marketing, including Lincoln, Everlast and ITW rebadged machines remind me way too much of Polaroid Camera back in de 60s. Plunk down a week of pay, get the camera you been droolin for, and throw it at de TV/Tuner/record player next month when you see de new model wa was already shippin out de factory door when you bought that old obsolete clunkaroid 300-x. Trade in, why we take a trade in we already got your $$$$$. We get more too if you want to use dat dam camera.

Nother thing urinates me to no end, hidden offices in secret locations shippin from fulfillment centers AND hustlers claimin to be Service Centers. Bout 90% of them Service Centers are located in a mailbox at de UPS Store or Mailboxes Etc. Sure, you a real legitimate business when you hide behind a dead end address.

SORRY, you want (removed)'s money you step up to de counter and shake hands. You dam sure gonna be findable if and when I need to find you too. I already got a box dem dam Polaroids and I ain't buyin more.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #45  
I think one the of problems with the Everlast is the lack of a dealer in certain areas (Like mine). When I ask at the local welding places no one knew anything about the machines and said they really couldn't help with them (service/sales/etc). They could be the greatest machine ever made but the lack of a local dealer is really what turned me away. Again, not a slam on the machine at all, just a heads up why I really didn't consider them a whole lot.

While I can understand the sentiment, it is for many an advantage, not a disadvantage. Let me explain.
First, try getting something serious for your welder. Chances are more than likely they will not stock it. You will:

1) Have to wait until they have enough items accumulated to meet minimum order requirements, as these companies have minimum order quantities in many cases. This may take up to six months while they keep promising you. This is quite common.
2) If it is warranty, you will have to send it out to a service center. Your local dealer may be a "service" center, but they will often have minimal training and knowledge and can replace a part or two. If they are like airgas or something, then they'll take it to their repair facility on one of their trucks. But it can bounce around for a few days until it arrives. But generally, if they are in house repair... First they'll have to order it, and wait on it, and then put it in when they get back to yours. Hopefully they won't have to send it off, because if they do, you will pay the shipping to do so. So, you just sent your unit to a middle man to take care of something that you can do for yourself. I can't tell you the number of people I get every year that "Lost" their unit at a repair center for months and even years waiting on a decision or parts from Miller or others that come to us because they have seen the light, and lost their unit. Or, when they get it back, the dealer charges them because of some loophole the product or damage wasn't covered under warranty.

When you deal direct with us, you get faster service. More knowledgeable and better staff about issues, and better equipped facilities. Free tech support for life of the product. Direct ship to you if it is a replaceable part. You don't have to even go to the dealer to pick it up. Yes, you have to pay for shipping after the first thirty days, but we have economical shipping rates if you work through us with shipping...or you can choose the shipping.

In general, you'll find (as you did in your case) that your lws is less knowledgeable than you think. I have local welding supply stores giving customers the wrong tungsten, wire, and even gas daily. Plus they rip you off. I just had a young customer whose father bought him a unit for graduation from welding school get charged 200.00 for a 10 pack of thoriated tungsten. He also sold him a small tank of "mixed gas" for over 500.00 AND told him it was pure argon. All he did was scribble through the tag and write in hand over it "Argon". He did this after making the customer wait three weeks to get a cylinder.

I have local welding distributors who do sell our product. The fact that they haven't heard of us by now is either 1) A lie and an attempt to not offer you service just because... 2) They are ignorant in general and not up to date in the welding industry. The sheer number of wrong gas sales and pure green tungsten sales and bad advice I've heard these dealers do and give tells me that it is likely to be number 2, but I've seen plenty of number 1 as well.

If you go online and look at companies like Baker and IOC, who are online as well as brick and mortar dealers who "get it", you'll see a much lower price, and more knowledgeable information listed.

I have so many other customers who go to the welding supply stores for simple things as consumables which are 100% compatible on TIG with every other brand and they won't even look up the part and turn the customer away. This is just sorry service. This happens daily.

As far as those "parts" you may need. Expect your dealer not to be too kind to you on prices either. Because if you needed parts, they're going to add 50% to the top of the price. By going direct, we don't offer a middle man mark up. Our parts prices are generally a 1/4 to 1/3 of the equivalent replacement part (read board) of other brands. You can go on certain welding sites and see the horror stories if you don't believe me about customers having to pay 1800.00 for a board that popped soon after the 3 year warranty as out. Those are the ones whose eyes are opened and convert to us as well.

I do have some dealers out there. For example, the dealer in Macon north of where I live (national known company) has sold a few of our units. He calls me if he needs information or service and handles it that way. Sure the customer could call me direct and I'd be just as glad to service him direct if the customer wanted it that way, but apparently does not. Both he and the customer have so far been happy with the service they get. Interesting thing...they used to be a service center. I've visited it and it was minimal. But seemed to get by. They've since closed it and have to ship their products for service to Knoxville, the same town where our service center is located. That is the closest one to them. But this dealer is on top of things and is doing right by the customers. To be sure there are good knowledgeable dealers out there like this one, but less and less everyday.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #46  
I've never seen an Everlast, let alone touched one.
Been watching these bell & whistle machines come and go since the 80s, back then Lincoln had a phone jack on the machine so it could call home for help & instructions.

Recall a fellow in the TV repair business who figured out that business was dead so he instantly became the world X Spert on plasma. He went away. Nother felow a slightly nutty school science teacher wid bunkers in his yard was bringin in a container at a time of some brand. He died and California had to spend a million cleanin de mess he left up.

Nother company called Longevity or such, they seem to have died off.

Mark is sorta like that fellow called himself Eaton Compressor bolting foreign components together in a storage building. Been around a while and dat don't happen unless Mark's making most his buyers happy...

Bein an old fart, I got some on board history to bounce all these new/improved/super/9 sizes in a single sock machines off of.
Most de marketing, including Lincoln, Everlast and ITW rebadged machines remind me way too much of Polaroid Camera back in de 60s. Plunk down a week of pay, get the camera you been droolin for, and throw it at de TV/Tuner/record player next month when you see de new model wa was already shippin out de factory door when you bought that old obsolete clunkaroid 300-x. Trade in, why we take a trade in we already got your $$$$$. We get more too if you want to use dat dam camera.

Nother thing urinates me to no end, hidden offices in secret locations shippin from fulfillment centers AND hustlers claimin to be Service Centers. Bout 90% of them Service Centers are located in a mailbox at de UPS Store or Mailboxes Etc. Sure, you a real legitimate business when you hide behind a dead end address.

SORRY, you want (removed)'s money you step up to de counter and shake hands. You dam sure gonna be findable if and when I need to find you too. I already got a box dem dam Polaroids and I ain't buyin more.

(removed), if you are where you say you are from, I have customers all over, literally crawling all over Louisiana. From lake Pontchartrain to the North, over to MS and into TX area over there.
No (removed), you are wrong about rebadging with us. We do not. You are also far off on the fact that we change products all that often. Same basic product and models since 2012? Our company is based in San Francisco CA. This is the home office for all operations. We do have distribution in Canada as well, though it is smaller. We also sell in Australia, Mexico, Peru, Russia, Finland (EU), South Africa and more places. No, we aren't bolting things together in a garage. If you did any basic research, we've posted numerous pictures of our facilities, our live product testing in the facilities etc...You are on the living-in-the-past side of things here...maybe you are nothing more than an echo of the past or a rusting relic who can't navigate the modern world to be well informed as you think you are.

We aren't hidden. Our facilities are open to the public as we have local customers pick up direct if they wish. Many have posted pictures of them doing so online. Our service facilities are that way as well. They also repair for other name brands. We operate a different business model to be sure, but as you say, even though you are wrong about the rest, unless we are making our customers happy we wouldn't be around.

People who shake hands behind the counter usually have the other one hid. You don't know what that other hand is doing, whether it has a knife or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Most of the time, I've found that just because you can shake a hand, doesn't mean they know anything or even that they won't gouge you deep in the pocket book while smiling and making you feel good about yourself. Keep in mind these guys get free trips and kickbacks the more product they pawn off on you. The last thing they want you to do is go online to find out how bad they are treating you on price.

Now for the rest of you with some technological know how and interest in doing so, navigate to facebook, we have a face book page, and there is a separate, independent club for owners of everlast welders. And we've recently rebooted our youtube channel. There you can see our product and WHO is using it. Not just some fan boy in his home garage spitting out wire...though there might be one or two there too.


Owners of Everlast welders Public Group | Facebook

EverlastWeldersUSA - Home | Facebook

Everlast Welders - YouTube
 
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   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #47  
My older ESAB stuff we really good. Comparable to blue or red. Based on that experience I tried some of their newer inverter machines with the electronic controls and had nothing but problems. Returned two machines under warranty and ended up getting a refund under their customer satisfaction warranty. I went to a Lincoln 350MP and just love it. Buttery smooth. The only gripe that I have is that parts are harder to find than Miller. If you find yourself wanting to buy used accessories like a spool gun or feeder, definitely go Miller. The market has 10x the quantity of used accessories available for Miller than Lincoln.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #48  
My older ESAB stuff we really good. Comparable to blue or red. Based on that experience I tried some of their newer inverter machines with the electronic controls and had nothing but problems. Returned two machines under warranty and ended up getting a refund under their customer satisfaction warranty. I went to a Lincoln 350MP and just love it. Buttery smooth. The only gripe that I have is that parts are harder to find than Miller. If you find yourself wanting to buy used accessories like a spool gun or feeder, definitely go Miller. The market has 10x the quantity of used accessories available for Miller than Lincoln.

Parts aren't harder to find. The issue is that the unit is no better than the dealer backing them. Sure, they'll use excuses and such for not having parts...just as I said, they don't reach minimum order requirements. A lot of times that has to do with the kickback/spiff the local dealer is getting for selling a unit or machine. Ever wonder why a Miller is 4 or 5 times more than one of our products and how can they do that??? Higher overhead includes special considerations for sales people. If miller offers more incentive, they'll be the best Miller representatives and talk up the unit and sell more so they have to order and stock more parts. Lincoln doesn't offer as much incentive in many cases (from what I've heard)...So they're going to have less parts etc. And you know, that leads to regional awareness/loyalty too.

I learned this a long time ago in the farm equipment business. You'll see regional loyalty and perception about a product vary wildly, all because of the local representation and performance (or lack of in most cases with delaers that have bad C.S.) of the local dealer. I've heard...you can't get parts for a __________. Or such and such a tractor won't hold up. Patooey... Most all tractors are very similarly and closely engineered. Every once in a while a company will spit out a bad seed or a problem series (any one remember starting issues on the 30 series John Deere and having to crank the steering wheel back and forth to get it to crank cold, and those batteries? Or the early Ford Powershift tractors, like the 9600? Or the dual range, up and down shifts of their older lines? Or those diesel thirsty V8's of the Massey line?) But in general, whatever color it is, you will find some outstanding product. So it led me to believe this: Any product is not any better than the dealer behind that product. I get this regularly now in the welder business. People tell me horror stories. And they're true. It happens everywhere. But where people have nothing to say about a horror story, particularly with known problems, is a good local dealer, who, probably has had to eat a bunch of money to keep customers happy.
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #49  
Mark, would you buy (let alone rely on) a Chinese tractor imported by a Russian Corporation?
 
   / Esab, Lincoln or Miller #50  
Yes, I would. I've owned both chinese and russian made tractors and worked and sold both...as well as Indian made farm tractors, Italian made farm Equipment, German made farm equipment, Polish made farm equipment, Danish made farm equipment, and even a little Japanese made farm equipment... So... I put my self through part of my college time on a Russian built farm tractor, landscaping and plowing gardens during the summer. I used several to farm with, two on a farm I managed at one time, and they held up just as well as the other units in the fleet, and would actually out-pull any other tractor we had.

You done stepped into a big pile of "doodoo" I am afraid on this forum since there are forums for nearly all these tractors and country origins and owners represented here by nearly all of them.

First, lets get something straight. You have 15 posts on here. No info about where or who you are. You could be the competition for all we know to Everlast.

Second. Everlast is based and owned out of the USA. Just as Miller, and Lincoln are. The primary owner of the company happens to have immigrated from Russia due to religious persecution when he was 15 with his family. He finished growing up here, married here, and is raising his family here, with kids born right here in the good ole' USA. So you are going to fault someone who is living the American Dream and try to denegrate that, just because he still has a trace of an accent?

Third, Miller, Lincoln and ESAB ALL make units in China. Do you call those Chinese? All the units that Miller and Lincoln make in Mexico...do you call those "Mexican"?

What is your classification for ESAB? A swedish company bought out by a US holding company, with All Chinese built product (nearly so now anyway) after discontinuing its US produced products with a varied ownership history and well known tendancy for rebadging of other brands and models of products.
 

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