Ethanol in Gasoline - Fuel Additives Gasoline - Truth

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I just read this thread from beginning to end.
Any thread with the word 'truth' in the title sets off my skeptic alarm.
If you got this far and wonder why, I can't help you.
 
   / Ethanol in Gasoline - Fuel Additives Gasoline - Truth
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I wish I had something to sell - And not to bash people like I am being bashed - some people live in their own world and miss the news reports - some people just want to instigate and give false information - some hate it because they do have something to sell be it their levels of knowledge or information - so if any one wants to comment on the PDF back it up with a link that others can read that disproves the PDF because Here are links that prove it- I'd Have to be a millionare to create my own websites to back up the PDF - so what there is a typo in the PDF putting the moto-mix under the liquid cooled remedies - and some are Technical Service Bulletins from Manufacturers some are news reports - these are more credible than the PDF and disprove almost ALL negative comments against the PDF - I am not going to comment futher to this post as - Wish I had an "As Seen on TV" product to sale here cause I see potential customers... These links are now being provided so anyone that is UNSURE and sees this post doesn't believe the negative comments.. WYO Tech is teaching this information to their mechanics that work for major manufacturers????????????? Explain that one too... I am Sure Mercedes, Harley Davidson, and a few others would not use WYO Tech if this information and the Info in the PDF was wrong.. I ask you to have an open mind and be willing to learn - or unlearn as some common sense to this issue is based on people saling us false information to push the Green Initiative of Al Gore and the Chinese use of the EPA to take down our Industries!!!! Anyone Reading this Post please speak with an authorized dealer before acepting all the comments here as some posters are not authorized nor have any authorized dealers or employees of such with training nor do they posses certification from manufacturers or schools

The Problem With Ethanol

The Times Record > Archives > Opinion > Commentaries > Tips to minimize engine problems caused by ethanol in gasoline

The Problem With Ethanol

Ethanol could kill your small engine | Marketplace From American Public Media

http://www.forestnet.com/TWissues/August08/chainsaw.pdf

Is fuel with an increased level of ethanol a problem for small gas engines?

The Boater's Log - Volume 1, No. 1 - Ethanol


http://www.algonacharbourclub.com/images/mer_bul.pdf
 
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Also, Anyone posting negative comments here without support or that does not read the links I posted and come back and admit in a respectful manner that they were unaware because they had been mislead by others in the past because they were being sold a product- if you do post seeking maufacturer documents or assistance that I have access to -tit for tat - you make people leery to help others on this forum... some wording in some posts are much like speach - makes you wonder if some posters have more than one profile for the purpose of harrassing??? As a christian you are not going to deter me from assisting others!

Final Post on this issue!
 
   / Ethanol in Gasoline - Fuel Additives Gasoline - Truth #44  
Not trying to nit pick Bedford 24 here, but all of your sources are secondary reports based on another source.

Seems to me some of the folks posting above are primary sources, professionals who have worked on this issue in the industry. Sure, it is possible some of these posters may be exaggerating their credentials, but probably no more likely than secondary sources exaggerate the credentials of their primary sources.

That said, to the extent possible I avoid using gasoline with alcohol added, and try to keep fresh fuel in all small engines. Fresh fuel only hurts from the cost standpoint, and is cheep insurance in my book.
 
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Still waiting for the cold box useage and purpose. If I have to post a picture, I win.
 
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I just added a second ultrasonic cleaner to my shop to keep up with the demand for carb rebuilding on snowblowers that were stored last spring and won't start now, they all need a cleaning and new diaphragms... Personally I don't know all of what is in the gas but from where I'm standing, I like the easy money. I will say that I send them all out of here with 91 octane non ethanol fuel in them and recommend Sta-bil or draining fuel during storage, I don't want them mad again next year thinking I didn't help them but rather I want to see them out there hustling up more business for me.
 
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ZZVY66 - here is a current version of the Cool Can - Moroso : Category Display We used a Coffee can with copper line wrapped around it in our day - if we were cooling the Air yes it does condense the air increasing oxygen- but we wanted hot Air and actually pulled Exhaust Gas back in in an EGR type set up so that the condensed cooler fuel would almost flash upon collision - There is also a method that achieves this without cooling the fuel I have read and heard of this pre-heats it as seen on this forum -http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/fuel-economy/204085-pre-heating-fuel-during-winter-theory/ and there was a guy that came to the tracks that talked about a block he machined that sat just above his exhaust manifold to pre-heat. We were concerned about exploding the gas after the guy explained his tial and errors on this and it presurrizing the fuel line... I was thinking that you might want to turbo the engine on this one to compress the air coming in as you introduce the heated fuel - using the InterCooler from the Transmission is an great idea from this post - as we were running Carbs and straight trannies we could not do this... Classic Stock 1978 Monte Carlo years ago... most tracks are NASCAR supported so no more experiements there. LOL! Maybe you have done this and can educate me? Turbo or no Turbo?
 
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I just added a second ultrasonic cleaner to my shop to keep up with the demand for carb rebuilding on snowblowers that were stored last spring and won't start now,

I've been saying for years that if owners of seasonal equipment followed manufacturers recommendations for storage, small engine shops would be out of business. There just isn't enough "cost effective" other work to be done. Overhauls and rebuilds don't pay when you figure in labor costs, and the "throw-away" method of building things nowadays.

I was hired on some 25 years ago to repair/maintain construction rental equipment. A lot of what we have in the fleet is "seasonal". (For instance, there's not much call for a walk-behind trencher or trash pump when it's below zero for months.)

When I started working, it was nothing short of astonishing to see how much time and energy was wasted trying to get something up and running when it had old, stale gas in it. I quite honestly couldn't figure out where the "logic" was. The engine started and ran fine the last time it was used months ago. So what has changed? Did the plugs "go bad" during storage? Did the spark "get weak" during storage? Did the compression "decrease" during storage? None of that makes sense, but still...the same nonsensical procedures were followed just about every time something came out of storage....and failed to start after two dozen pulls.

It was equally, (or perhaps to a GREATER extent), puzzling to hear someone say, "It fires on starting fluid...but it won't stay running unless I continue to spray it in". Even after observing firsthand that the problem wasn't spark or compression, (because it'll run on ether), it still didn't register that the real problem might be fuel-related.

Nobody needs to read about "secrets" associated with this topic on the 'net, they just need to read their operators manuals. You just won't find one that says you should store the equipment the way most owners do it....
 
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This thread did get me to read the Operator manual on each of my gasoline off-highway engines. None prohibit gasoline with ethanol less than 10% although my Mercury 4 cycle outboard does recommend using gasoline without alchohol if available. My 4 Brigg & Stratton all say ethanol is okay up to 10% - no restrictions. Even my Sthil chainsaw and 2 weedtrimmers do not mention alchohol although they do recommend premium gas. I had assumed that everyone made their equipment compatible since we midwestern corn producers passed laws requiring corn liquor be mixed in with our fuel, just like we must have soybean squeezings dumped in our diesel. I also discovered my Stihl chainsaw specifies bio-oil for chain & bar lube. I then understood why the oil I bought with my saw was so expensive - until I looked at the Stihl bottle and it doesn't say anything about being bio. It just says it is refined from the finest dinosaurs, just like Coors says it is brewed from premium barley. In my search I did find an interesting internal Caterpillar document that came across my desk saying that with the introduction of low sulfur diesel,when customers report lack of power, white smoke, and rough running in their old low pressure fuel system engines (meaning before Tier 3) we should specify customers use a Delphi additive until Caterpillar has their own additive available. I guess my 2004 mini-excavator is going to start getting that added to the tank.
 
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And by the way Ethanol in a Laboratory is called "Formic Acid" with a PH of 5-7...

Ethanol most certainly is not called formic acid; it is called ethanol. Prove me wrong and I will return my Ph.D. in chemistry.

ANd for celluloid ethanol to be attached to the hydrocarbon base in fuel makes it an ester and -OH connecting to a hydrocarbon forms a type of formic acid - omg how can anything be corrosive if it isn't an acid - ok I could go on and on but enough of this petty trying to look better than someone else - I don't have to prove anything on a computer page - please people grow up..

This doesn't make any sense at all. Furthermore, please note that rants do not make satisfactory substitutes for facts.
 

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