Ever notice which brand?

   / Ever notice which brand? #21  
On the agriculture side of it a Kubota is rare. But the farmers in this area is pretty much a mix Deere, Case, Stinger, New Holland.

For compacts in this area Kubota is the leader but for large farm tractors Kubota is a rare sight at best.

Gordon

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   / Ever notice which brand? #22  
JD, have you ever noticed that the are two kinds of people, those who divide all people into two groups, and those who don,t.
 
   / Ever notice which brand?
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#24  
In no way was I trying to bash the other brands of tractors, nor do I profess to know after only 30 hours on my Kubota if it will be better, equal or worse than the other brands out there. With that said the dealer I bought my L3410 from also sells Deere and I felt he was very honest in his opinions of both brands, the good, the bad and the ugly of both. Around here most of the farmers go Deere, which with the use they give them they must know something. The contractors and such mostly go orange. I think the main reason around here you see so few N/H is the dealerships are far and few between. I really never considered the Koiti because I wanted the hydro trans. So far the things I think Kubota could improve on is the way the hood has three panels that are a pain to line up and lift off with the loader arms. A swivel seat like the N/H has would be great. I think one of the things that knocked the Deere out of the picture was that the machines in the size I wanted were made by someone else, and yes I know Yanmar makes a fine engine and unit. I would really like to hear from others on just how they made up their minds on which brand to go with and which features or issues were the key.
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #25  
Alot of tractor companies dont make their own tractors. Shibura for example, makes the smaller New Hollands, and I believe that Iseki makes Masseys.

I wouldnt let that stop you from considering a particular tractor.
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #26  
The original Kioti's that I looked at (1914 and its bigger cousins) are at least one generation behind the major name brands such as Kubota, Deere, NH, Massey, etc. However it seems as if they are making strides to improve things. The new DK series is very nice. 12 speed shuttle shift, much better ergonomics, etc.

Sure, they arent real competitors right now on price or feature, but it seems to me that they are on the "path" to becoming a major competitor. It may just take another 5 years or so.
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #27  
Rat - the axle construction on your L4850 is exactly the type I was describing (maybe not too well). It is a double-shear king pin type - with bearings above and below the input axle gearing - very strong and well-suited to FEL work. For the Grand L-10's Kubota cheapened it by using a cantilevered king pin (single shear) with bearings below only. There has been a lot of difficulty with the 4310 front axle (seals and bearings) so the 4610 now has an "improved design" which is more like what your 4850 had.

Over the weekend, I saw a Kioti MK-50 and was impressed that they saw fit to substantially copy the heavier Kubota axle design instead of the weaker one. I agree they aren't out front yet, and may never be, but the product appears to be a serious effort by a real organization. I think I've been influenced as well by business journal articles describing the huge, modern, and under-used industrial capacity in Korea. Makes it likely the'll export good products at low prices - there's nothing like slave foriegn labor and a US policy encouraging non-military production.

Planetary gears are a way to economically isolate the large low-speed torques needed at the drive wheels of big equipment. But that's another thread.
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #28  
Dick, I am always hoping that "the little guy" can make a go of it. In this case Kioti although they may not be all that little. Further, the competition that is out there now can only serve to give us better product/value. In going over some of the old Mark McChalkley posts, he never mentions a problem or issue with his L4310's front axle. He had increased the hydraulic rams to 2.5" from the 2" stock in order to increase loader lift capacity and thats just the begining of his modifications. Now you have me curious about the schematics of front axles. JD uses planetary gears in all (most)of its 4000 series. Thanks for getting back to me on this topic, Rat...
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #29  
Here's something to get everybody thinking.

I'm looking at a magazine ad for a brand new China Diesel. (no, I don't intend to buy one.) The reason I'm looking at it is because the ad caught my eye. That China Diesel looks so pretty in it shiny GREEN paint, and those pretty YELLOW rims!

I wonder how many people are going to equate the 2 tractors?

SHF
 
   / Ever notice which brand? #30  
Ever notice how owners of inferior equipment always take any comment about a possible shortcoming of their sacred cow W A Y T O O S E R I O U S L Y??????? (Just joking, HONEST! PULEASE don't spray my Kubby green)

Agricultural types are a most conservative group. When they do stray from convention (Deere etc.) they often go for some really off the wall loser like Belarus (nice cast iron, low on engineering and technology) wooed by price. Real world results stampedes them back toward greener (Deere) pastures. Contractors by nature are a bit more pragmatic and less slavishly loyal to a company name (that used to represent American engineering and manufacture). I was trained as a scientist and worked as an engineer. I am predisposed to go with what works for me in my circumstances!

An example of extreme conservatism: Two good ole boys 'round here came over with two tractors, one scarifyin' the other Land Pride box bladin' to help me make a site for my mom's new house. The one brought a dozer for a few hours, as well. I like and respect these guys A N D appreciate their help B U T when I tried to use a "Water Level" to check grade they collectively threw a "caniption fit" (Sort of like a cross between Turet's syndrome and epilepsy.) I had to put the evil contraption away. They didn't trust it and insisted on stretching a string for 100 ft, laying prone in the dirt, and using a 2 ft carpenter's level held under the string to gauge the grade. The foundation is 70 ft long and there was nearly one foot of vertical error from one end to the other when they were through congratulating themselves on the great job they did. Of course the (water level) is accurate to as close as you can see (maybe an 1/8 or 1/16 of an inch at any distance (as long as you have garden hoses to reach). Ever bit as good as an expensive LASER level, just not as fast or convenient.

These guys, and most of their counterparts, worship at the Green shrine whether or not they personally own green. They think I must have fell out of a well and landed on my head for 1. Paying that much for a tractor and it's not being Green, and 2. getting a tractor with a cab. It often gets in the high 80's, 90's and sometimes low 100's with high humidity and little or no breeze. Not every day, but often enough. In the winter it freezes and sometimes we have snow that stays on the ground for a week or so (not neccessarily every year). I've seen this one guy go home to change out of his wet clothes twice in a day when it was spittin' a little rain with the snow. He is out feeding the cattle (he really takes GOOD care of his stock) in all weather. I will get a bale spear for my FEL and help him by feeding the stock he runs on my 160 acres FROM THE HEATED OR AIR CONDITIONED KUBOTA CAB.

I bought KUBOTA on reputation, research, and perceived value (function/cost). I looked long and hard, went to auctions, got in line to buy low hour units coming back in from lease (NOT KUBOTA) and on and on. I went to ALL major brand dealers in 50-75 mile radius. There are other good tractors out there B U T...
Who can tell me of a better tractor than a Kubota Grand L4610HSTC (Cab with A/C and heat and radio and 2 way...) for my purposes. It is the smallest Kubota with a factory supplied cab&A/C-heat. It is very easy to enter and exit (from left door as loader joy stick gets in way of easy right hand mount/dismount). With 4x4 I do with 39.5 PTO HP what strains 60 HP 2wd units. Down side is the cab model can't be fitted with a Kubota backhoe but it ain't over till the fat lady sings and she hasn't even started to clear her throat yet.

There are tractors out there about equal to mine B U T they cost more, have fewer dealers, are harder to get parts for in my area, have lower resale value around here, or some other negative that puts Kubota (for my particular model at the price I paid etc.) a bit out ahead. This is my first tractor and I didn't give a rat's xxx what I bought as long as it was arrived at by a rigourous selection process that would ensure I didn't go too far wrong. I think I did just fine but welcome any comments to the contrary. (Except paintin' her Green)
I say "her" because to quote the rich kid with the neat car in the "Our Gang Comedies", "Things of beauty, grace, or speed are customarily refered to in the feminine gender."

Patrick

P.S. Let me get into my Kevlar/Nomex underwear before you light into me.
 

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