Farmi winch

[chuck172]

I might have a lead on a used farmi JL351P logging wing. Built in 2007. I'm worried it's on the small side. I'm really looking for the 501.
I have a kioti dk40.
Is the 351 a decent size winch? If I buy it, I might want to resell for the bigger one. What would be a good price for it?

 

[CalG]

Around here (Vt NH Mass etc) A GOOD used winch is being offered for about 85% of new.

They sell quickly, but one never really knows what the final price might have been.

The "little Farmi" would be just the size for my needs..... ;-)

 

[Agvg]

But if you are in need of the full 5000kg the 501 pulls then you might have a to small tractor to handle it, 351 pulls 3500kg and I dont think its to small for general use, how large trees are you pulling?
Any experience with logging winches?
Check very carefully the ground clearance on larger winches, small tractors have small wheels and dosent lift high enough to give the height to the winch and its not particularly fun to get stuck on the winch blade at full lift height.... I have tried it.

 

[Gordon Gould]

Your tractor is 40 hp and weighs less than 4000 lbs so to me the Farmi JL351P is the perfect sized winch for it. Like Avgv says, if you need to pull 10K plus pounds how are you going to keep your tractor anchored?? Also as he mentioned the frame size mismatch is a problem. If you need to pull those kinds of loads with a light tractor you need to use a snatch block. A big winch usually won't help.

If you are getting a deal on the winch then you should be able to turn it over easily if you don't like it

 

[Silvic]

Your tractor is 40 hp and weighs less than 4000 lbs so to me the Farmi JL351P is the perfect sized winch for it.

Not familiar with your tractor and its size but if as Gordon stated it is 40 hp and less than 4000# then I believe the JL351P would be perfect for you.

I have the 501 and really like it but it is a good size unit. It is designed for both cat 2 as well as large cat 1 tractors. I have one on a JD 4720 and I believe that on a smaller tractor that it might be too much. I personally would not want it on a smaller tractor.

If Gordon is correct then your tractor is probably a bit small for a 501 but perfect for a 351 (in my opinion and experience)

 

[chuck172]

The winch for sale is now what I believe to be a JL351P, for a skid steer. It has hydraulic lines. Darn!
But getting back to sizing a logging winch for my tractor:
The tractor has loaded Ag. tires 13.6-24, a loader, 2,500 lb. lift (3pt.), 41HP. It totals out at about 6,000 lbs.
I don't want to look back and wish I got the next size up winch, but I don't want a too big logging winch either.
If I buy new, should I go for the 351 or the 501?

 

[Gordon Gould]

The loader and loaded tires get your weight up by 2K and that is good. But your tractor at 41 hp is still near the minimum recommended for the 501. I do not believe you will be able to use all it's muscle and the larger winch frame will have a lot more leverage and put more stress on your smallish 3pth and tractor. Your tractor sits right in the middle of the 351 recommendation and the 351 is physically sized for your tractor. So that is the one I would choose. But this is just me thinking not you. It is hard for me to believe that you can do significantly more with the 501 than you can with the 351. I think you will be amazed at what you can pull with the 351. Once you winch the log/tree in you still need to be able to pick it up and have enough traction to skid it up to the landing.

My tractor weighs 5000 lbs and my winch pulls 6400 lbs. That is more than enough for my tractor to handle. My biggest limitation is traction skidding out a hitch that I can winch in w/o trouble even though I run loaded tires and chains. But I have rough ground, hills, and mud. For me the diff lock and steering brakes are necessities.

Good luck and work safe with what ever you get !!

gg

 

[Deerherd]

The winch for sale is now what I believe to be a JL351P, for a skid steer. It has hydraulic lines. Darn!
But getting back to sizing a logging winch for my tractor:
The tractor has loaded Ag. tires 13.6-24, a loader, 2,500 lb. lift (3pt.), 41HP. It totals out at about 6,000 lbs.
I don't want to look back and wish I got the next size up winch, but I don't want a too big logging winch either.
If I buy new, should I go for the 351 or the 501?

If you are considering buying new, look at the Wallenstein Bush Pilot series line also, they have a few nice features you may like (trailer hitch, free choker chains, etc) and you can save a little cash.

As far as size, if you KNEW you were getting a larger tractor than maybe spring for the larger size but if not a 351 sized unit like the others said sounds great.

Whatever you get you will wonder how you did without a winch before and will become one of your favorite attachments. Like Gordon said just be safe and careful! I have a Wallenstein FX140 and I really like it.

 

[chuck172]

I like the idea of considering wallenstein. I contacted their sales rep, and he steered me to the fx85. thanks

 

[Agvg]

Even a 3000kg winch will jerk a small tractor around, I have a Ursus that is around 2600kg an with my Sandvik 3081 and that 3000kg winch will easily drag it back an if theirs no soft ground it will drag it as nothing.
I will give you some advises, never ever drag with an angel, if you have no choice otherwise watch the tractor, it will put it on the side in an second, watch the winch not the loggs when pulling, the loggs are on its way as long as the winch pulls. If you have a manuell control with a rope its a good idea to have it long so you are out of the danger zone near the winch.
Branches on logs or loose branches following the log are dangerous, I have once been pushed under my winch when a branch came under the snow sticking a meter or two ahead of the log and I was an idiot standing between the winch and the loggs. If you are going up steep hills its better to winch the loggs up step by step than skidding it.

 

[Gordon Gould]

I like the idea of considering wallenstein. I contacted their sales rep, and he steered me to the fx85. thanks

That is smart. Looking at other brands will give you more options and more negotiation power. There are several good winches out there. Farmi and Wallenstein being among them. At the prices these days it seems like there should be some wiggle room. The number of chokers is in the negotiations too. I got 4 "free" chokers with my Farmi.

 

[Agvg]

Yes, and Igland/Norse, Fransgard and Tajfun.

 

[muddstopper]

We used to have a old 3 point winch setup on a Ford Dexter tractor. Winch had a lever and it was either engaged or not. I can remember Dad hooking to a very large whitepine and winching the whole tree to the landing. Tree was probably 150ft tall. He had the tractor backed up to a smaller pine to help keep the tree from winching the tractor backwards. End of the tree dug into a creek bank he was winching across and put so much tension on the winch lever he couldnt disengage the winch. The Tractor started being winched up the small tree and dad baled off. The tractor went about half way up the tree making it double over. When it got about halfway up the tree, the tree slingshoted the tractor off of it and onto the tractors top. Of course the tractor being diesel, it just kept running and winching. As the tractor was being pulled backward on its top, dad reached under the tractor and cut off the fuel. We unhooked the winch, flipped the tractor back on its wheels and except for the steering wheel being mashed up, it cranked right back up. Just a reminder that logging winchs can be very dangerous and to big a winch on a tractor can have very unusual things happen when you least expect it.

 

[Gordon Gould]

wow - what a story muddstopper. I could see the whole thing happening as I read it.

gg

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I really like my Wallenstein FX90 skidding winch and the above story couldn't happen with it.

Once you release the rope, it stops winching and disengages the wire rope...

As for anchoring the tractor/winch, once you lower it, the winch digs into the ground and anchors itself, so it's winching against "itself" and allows you to winch a lot more weight than what the tractor weighs.

SR

 

[crazyal]

Are all the winches geared the same or are the larger ones geared higher to take advantage of the extra PTO HP?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

All of them go fast enough that they don't need a gearing change.....you adjust the speed with the RPM... Bigger winches have bigger clutches and cables and MAYBE drum size, so that alone will change the gearing a little.

SR

 

[motownbrowne]

Are all the winches geared the same or are the larger ones geared higher to take advantage of the extra PTO HP?

I agree will Sawyer Rob. They're all plenty fast. I don't really think HP comes into the equation. It's all torque and weight. If you don't have enough torque, you'll kill the engine, if you don't have enough weight, you'll be skidding your tractor. I rarely operate mine above 1700 engine RPM, which is probably about 350 PTO RPM.

 

[Coyote machine]

I've got the DK-40 HST with an Igland 4001 PTO winch, from Finland. It is amazing, and would be PERFECT for your tractor. With a clamshell snatchblock I can double the pulling power to 8,000 pounds from 4,000.
There is nothing to date I haven't been able to pull, with maneuvering the tractor, block and winch and using the right amount of RPMs, and safety taken into consideration. I did snap off the original swedged cable end when one large tree hung up on a stump, but that's it as far as any breakage. One can dampen possible 'whiplash' from the winch cable by dropping a blanket or similar item over the cable in a particularly stressed pull, but that's a last resort in my opinion. Best be out of the way of the cable's path whenever it's under tension. Anything can happen.

 

[Gordon Gould]

The idea that the blade will dig in and hold the winch back so that the tractor can just sit there while it applies the torque is true and one of the reasons the blade is there. BUT, and a big but, many times it does not work out this way and the tractor has to do all the holding back. If you live in the north where the ground freezes you will find the blade does not dig in and snow is lousy at hold the winch back. Packed snow or ice is worse. For me winter conditions are best for logging. I need frozen roads to get around in the soft ground. Also if you are working in the woods where there is a deep duff layer verses field edges where there is sod and/or good quality earth you will find that woods duff does nothing to hold the winch back and the blade will never get down to the dirt layer because of the roots which are slippery to. So the weight of the tractor is very important in considering how much of a pull you can really make.

gg