Fast- Need Hot Water Heater Help

2manyrocks · Jan 17, 2009

What kind of water heater passes for commercial installation depends on your local codes. Sometimes controlled by the plumbing code and sometimes controlled by the boiler and pressure vessel code, and if carefully examined, usually there is an overlap with the boiler guys sometimes not bothering with stand alone commercial water heaters. In the south, usually the boiler inspectors aren't as intense as they are in the northeast.

But any inspector is going to wary of allowing a used unit to be reinstalled. Just ask, "Is this a flood unit?" in front of an inspector....

kenmac · Jan 17, 2009

If it's something that must be inspected. check with the local code officials. A water ( in most places ) isn't consitered a boiler because it is under 200,000 BTU. 200,000 BTU & above it considered a boiler & must be certified as a boiler. That's how all the tankless water heater manufactures get around boiler certification on their tankless water heaters. They are under 200,000 BTU. They are around 199,000 BTU. Most areas ( not all) in the US have adopted all or some of the international plumbing , Gas, building, HVAC codes. I have no idea what they allow or donot allow in France

rox · Jan 17, 2009

Thanks everybody. I am just kicking myself for not posting on TBN sooner. I was hoping to keep this thread just to the information about Hot water heaters and the sale issues in my other thread in related topics. ALL of the information everyone was kind enough to post is very valuable and helpfull to me. Our attorney has a used commercial hot water heater a Bock Model 72PG. Y commercial Gas Heaters. Looks like 68 gallon, 199,000 BTU that he is will to just give us I don't even have to trade him in olive oil.

I'll continue with the legal and tactical aspects in my other thread.

rox · Jan 18, 2009

Unclebuck257 said:
rox,

We now own a restaurant too and believe me, I am very well aware of having to take back a restaurant property from someone who stops paying etc. and then all the possible follow up problems such as you are describing. Buying that water heater from whoever it was leased from is an excellent idea and direction to take if you don't act like you really want it. Afterall, it's not like it's the dishwasher or other inside restaurant equipment. The lesser probably can't remove it, store it, and reinstall in a new place in an economically feasible way for them. I'd give it a good shot before trying to buy a new one, IF it's in pretty new condition and not too old itself.

Unclebuck- Yeah it really does suck to take back a restaurant. By chance a good friend of my husband's, another chef owner just a few years older than us, stopped by our olive farm for a visit a couple years ago. He owned a restaurant in Seattle and the same thing happened to him, they guy he sold it to and financed, closed the doors. He went back in very quickly and re-opened the restaurant and told us the difficulties he went through. He also told us something very important. He said if the same thing ever happened to us to never re-open the restaurant just sell it as quickly as possible.

Those words of wisdom were practically the first thing that my husband and myself thought of right after we found out. Thus we very quickly made the decision to sell it and it saved us a lot of time trying to figure out the best course of action etc. I think when you get a little older and dare I say wiser, I am more willing to act on advice rather than going out and blazing new trails doing it my way. I think that is why I enjoy TBN so much becasue it is literally chocked full of good advice. Look at all the good advice I got on a commercial hot water heater, all I neeed to do was ask. I think this site is better than Wikipedia...

SPIKER · Jan 20, 2009

ROX: did the resteraunt have a hot water heater to begin with when it was sold?

if so then you may be able to keep the unit anyhow even if it is a lease and the leaseee would still be responsible for the equipment as installed into your place. IF you sold it with working hot water then it should still have such...

also note that you do not have any lease agreement with the company that leased it. Again they are insured for failure to pay leases and no longer your responsibility to pay for it or return it.

BUT I'm not familiar with laws over there. just my opinion.

mark