FEL Lift capacity

[TMGT]

I am saying the front tire sidewall will show reduced bulge when the heavy 3 point weight is raised'

That means a reduction in the weight placed on the front tires. we are not saying the same thing.

because you have stated that adding weight behind the rear axle INCREASES weight on the front axle and that is not correct.

Oh cross post .. OK.. Glad you got it

Unless he's driving around balanced on his front wheels I guess............

 

[Jcoon]

maybe it’s confusing because a tractor isn’t a single fulcrum, it has two fulcrums...

I lift a bucket full of dirt, my back tires come off the ground, 0 pounds are on the rear tires.

I put a 200 pound rear ballast on, back tires are still off the ground, 0 pounds on rear tires, 200 more pounds on the front axle.

You have to be able to put enough on the rear ballast to make the rear end the fulcrum point, to begin to actually take weight off the front end, front fulcrum point, which is a lot of weight.

 

[LD1]

Its not really alot of weight at all.

I guess if you are into owning a compact tractor rated to lift 1000#, and dont want to put any weight on the back, and are happy with your meager 200# of lift capacity.....and constantly bouncing the rear off the ground when digging in a pile, then more power to you.

However much weight you put up front.....you arent gonna go wrong putting that much on the back and even some more. After all, the back tires, axle, hitch, hydraulics, etc are all rated for ALOT more weight than the front.

This is just a case of worrying for nothing being afraid to use your tractor as a tractor. Like being worried about hauling 500# in a half ton pickup because it might be too much and shorten its life.

You keep replying with the misconception that everyone is running around with the back tires in the air and there is a single fulcrum. As long as the back tires are on the ground....the rear axle is a fulcrum. And it dont matter if its 1 pound or 1000 pounds.....putting weight BEHIND the rear axle WILL take weight off the front axle.

For a tractor the size of your workmaster 35.....1000# on the back aint gonna hurt a thing, its gonna be alot more useful with the front loader, and its gonna be much safer. Not sure why that is so hard to grasp. You would be doing exactly what it was designed to do

 

[Jcoon]

Lol LD1.... my numbers previously where just for example..

I have a 1,000 pound concrete ballast on the back of my workmaster 35, to keep the back tires on the ground when I pick up a full bucket of aggregate, or when I’m ripping tree stumps out with the front forks.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree..

 

[oosik]

There is one thing for DAM sure - I don't have Rim Guard(1550#) in the rear tires and a 1050# rear blade on my M6040 to save my front axle from potential damage when lifting heavy objects. The fulcrum effect of the rear blade on the front axle does help but overall it is minimal. That front axle had dam well better be able to take the full load - period, and it does.

The loaded rear tires and the rear blade - in my mind have no bearing, what-so-ever, on reducing the load seen by the front axle. Its there strictly to keep my A** firmly planted on the ground.

If you are thinking you need enough weight on the 3-point to save your front axle from potential damage - somewhere you have crossed wires.

 

[Jcoon]

The loaded rear tires and the rear blade - in my mind have no bearing, what-so-ever, on reducing the load seen by the front axle. Its there strictly to keep my A** firmly planted on the ground.

If you are thinking you need enough weight on the 3-point to save your front axle from potential damage - somewhere you have crossed wires.

I agree, rear ballast and or loaded tires simply help keep the rear on the ground, making it safer.

 

[Reb954]

For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don稚 understand, no explanation is possible.

 

[Jcoon]

MAYBE everyone is misunderstanding me... talking over the Internet is difficult..


Rear ballast weight does go onto the rear axles, but some of that added weight also transfers to the front when you have your FEL loaded.

 

[TMGT]

MAYBE everyone is misunderstanding me... talking over the Internet is difficult..


Rear ballast weight does go onto the rear axles, but some of that added weight also transfers to the front when you have your FEL loaded.

With rear ballast and nothing in the loader the front axle weight is reduced, by adding weight to the loader you are increasing the front axle weight, the only way to increase the front axle weight beyond that of unballasted would be to lift enough weight with the loader that the rear tires weight decreases below that of the unloaded and unballasted state. A properly ballasted tractor will run out of hydraulic capacity well before that happens.

It's two fulcrums working against each other.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

Try something. Take a 2x4, 8 ft long. Place a fulcrum under it, 2 ft from the end. Place a bathroom scale under the other end. Make note of the scale weight.

Now place a 5 lb weight on the end opposite from the scale. Make note of the weight shown. The more weight added, the less weight will show on the scale but it isn't a 1 lb loss for every 1 lb added. But, no matter how much weight is added, some weight will be taken off the scale.

I'm no engineer, but a tractor doesn't have a single fulcrum in the middle. A better test would be, take an 8-inch long 2x4 (most tractors are roughly twice as long as they are wide) and put TWO fulcrums under it very near each end. Would be curious as to the results!