Final choice of welder

   / Final choice of welder #21  
Boondox,
What is happening with your new welder? Have you decided to keep it? Have you had a chance to use whatever you kept?
PJ
 
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#22  
PJ -- You sound very anxious. Would you like to come over and play with it? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Seriously, I've been coming home from work so late I only have time to exercise the dogs and do my homework. Holiday season. Ugghh! The welder is still in the box.

Pete
 
   / Final choice of welder #23  
<font color=blue>"The welder is still in the box."</font color=blue>

Pete, I had to laugh when I read that because mine is still in it's box, too. I acquired a Hobart MIG welder a while back and haven't even broken the seal to take a look at it. I'm not sure I'd know what to do with it if I did open the box so I'm not too worried about it yet. I might look at it a little differently once I take the MIG welding class, though. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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#24  
I hope things slow down after the holidays. We just ramped up and thru a superhuman effort managed to set up and stock a new customer with coffee -- all 72 stores! That was two weeks ago. We stocked them with a six week supply and are now ramping up for another huge push because the majority of those 72 stores have sold out of our coffee!!! Yikes, but better than the alternative!

Welding? Maybe next January!

Pete
 
   / Final choice of welder #25  
I can appreciate what you're experiencing. We expanded our semi tractor leasing business into the Chicago and Detroit markets within a 30 day period and I've been buried, too. A guy who works for me made the rather astute observation that we never have anything ready to go just sitting around waiting for a customer "like a normal business."

"Oh, no," he says, "we have to have a deadline for delivery before we even have the thing." The part that bothered me was how absolutely on point he was. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

No matter how busy you get, just make sure you take the time to enjoy your pups. Now more than ever you need the therapy that wrestling on the floor with them and tossing the tennis ball "just one more time" can provide. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
   / Final choice of welder #26  
I feel for you, there sits that new welder and your unable to get it unpacked. As I am also looking at welders I am very interested in your comments when you do get it going and a few hours under your belt.
Good luck in the balancing act.
PJ
 
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#27  
PJ -- I never even got the thing unpacked. Took it back to the Borg this evening for a full refund. Will be picking up a Millermatic 135 this week. $150 more, but includes a cart and an hour's hands on instruction at the local welding shop. Figured it would be worth it just to be able to make mistakes out of reach of my wife. /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Pete
 
   / Final choice of welder #28  
Morning Pete and Gary,

That buried feeling is something I've learned to live with I guess.

Gary, the fire fighting syndrome for me comes from my always replying "we'll make it work". What has happened over the years I've become caught in the double bind of me believing I can make it happen cause one way or another I always have /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif and there is a group of friends and customers who have now become dependent upon that ability.

One of these days I'll fall on my face and there goes a lifetime's reputation.

Everyday I hear about competent people out of work cause the project they were on finished up and there's nothing new on board. Some of these folks I thought would never ever be out of work cause they are so good.

It does give one pause............
 
   / Final choice of welder #29  
The idea about obtaining an hour's instruction from a local welding shop is sharp. I too have been thinking about getting a welder but don't know diddley about welding.
Now, I'm going to check out a few welder shops and see if anyone would sell me an hours time in the form of instruction.
Thanks!
-Rich
 
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#30  
Okay, the saga continues! Over the weekend I took the little Lincoln 3200HD back to Home Depot. Then I went to my local welding shop and bought a Millermatic 135 with a nice cart and hands on instruction included. Spent about an hour practicing MIG welds on sheetmetal and mild steel. WOW! My very first weld looked pretty good...by the fifth practice weld they looked absolutely professional! This little wire feed unit makes me look like a pro! I was pleasantly surprised at how little spatter there was with the gas. No slag, either! Sweet!

Pete
 
   / Final choice of welder #31  
Congrats, Pete!

Do you have to use the gas all the time?
 
   / Final choice of welder #32  
Boondox,
Congratulations, that was a great move. When you did the practice at the weld shop were you using their 135 or your new one? If using theirs, let us know if you have any problems in setting up your new unit and getting the settings correct.
PJ
 
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PJ -- They set mine up in the shop, actually they walked me thru the set up and I did it myself. It was a lot simpler than I thought it would be, and everything is plainly marked for usage and wire size. I used the default settings for power and wire speed listed on the inside of the door, and fine tuned from there.

Pete
 
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<font color=blue>Do you have to use the gas all the time? </font color=blue>

No. If I ever use flux core I won't need the gas, but the lack of spatter and the absence of slag was really nice!

Pete
 
   / Final choice of welder #35  
Gary,
Since you took a welding class perhaps you can answer this one for me ... How is the MIG at welding Alum.? and what did your instructor say about the use of TIG or did they address that?
I am in need of learning to weld Alum. Something that I have always wanted to be able to do ... and I think this coming year is the time ...
Leo
 
   / Final choice of welder #36  
The little migs like you get at TSC or HD or Lowes won't cut welding aluminum. Oh, you can buy the wire, find the pure Argon gas, but it ain't gonna hunt.

The problem with aluminum is two fold in a mig. First it's soft. That means the aluminum wire shaves off in the process of passing down the tube from the machine to the welding tip. That fills up, screws up, plugs up, the liner big time. This is compounded by the fact that the drive rollers chew the heck out of the soft aluminum.

Most production welding of aluminum is done via mig. But that's like comparing a Ranger pickemup to an eighteen wheeler just because the fall under the label of "truck".

I have some TWECO mig guns for aluminum. They're four foot long with water cooled heads, yup, aluminum runs hot. They are for big time migs, big time.

The alternative for mig welding aluminum and it works fine is a spool gun. But you have to have a decent power source, hundred and fifty amp plus mig two twenty volt. And plan on spending another eight hundred to a grand just for the spool gun.

Miller has a new machine out that comes with a spool gun and is a two hundred amp mig. It's about twenty two to twenty five hundred dollars.

You can get into heliarc pretty reasonable if you have a decent stick machine. All you need is a high frequency box and a scratch start torch along with some Argon. That's the best way to weld aluminum.

Henrob's torch will do aluminum. But the only thing I've seen it do decent is flat work.

The easiest for me is the spool gun. The funnest is the heliarc. The most frustrating was the Henrob.

If you go with one of the Miller or Lincoln products like Miller's Econotig keep in mind aluminum takes more heat--amps and if you're doing much work at all you're going to be at the machine's limits real quick.

Heliarc machine's don't go down much in value for a decent one. I guess because they rarely go on the market unless they're worn out.

But this year at one of my suppliers I was offered an ESAB two hundred and fifty machine that was last years big dog for less than eighteen hundred dollars. Last year it went for almost a grand more. So you might keep your ears and eyes wide open for such a deal. They are out there.

Good luck. And don't make the mistake most of us do in such endeavors. Don't underbuy only to find the only thing worse than not being able to do the work is to only to be able to half, er, uh, half, er, uh, half, er, uh, screw it up.
 
   / Final choice of welder #37  
The answer from WHarv is the one you want. I'm just taking a very basic ARC Welding class and burning up rods here. I'm going to do my first real "project" this week since my 'final' is now done and I have another dozen class hours to burn. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Final choice of welder #38  
Wroughtn_Harv and Gary,
Thanks for your answer to my questions ... I really do appreciate it ... very good information ... I'm not sure which way I'm going but it sure looks like it's going to be worth while to get the correct machine and process ... everything I have read also points me in the same direction as you have ...
Thanks,
Leo
 

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