First Regen Experience

[BX23S-1]

John we`ll just agree to disagree... its just a matter of opinions anyway.

 

[BlacknTan]

If it's PTO RPM all the time, why does a manufacturer bother to install a throttle??

 

[sandman2234]

John we`ll just agree to disagree... its just a matter of opinions anyway.

I don't think I will agree with what he is saying, and I have been around diesel engines the better part of my life. Currently have in excess of 37 years of driving trucks, have watched the EPA come in and mandate emissions to trucks, and now tractors. I have owned diesels in cars, trucks and lawnmowers, and not a single one have I ever considered running at full rpm all the time. With a gear tractor, it would be impossible anyway, as well as with my other vehicles. The only one that might make the "run wide open all the time" would be the Steiner lawnmower and that is because it was a hydro static drive.
Anyone running a diesel engine at full throttle, up against the pump, or against the governor all the time will do exactly what the manufacturer wants... which is buy another tractor or spend money fixing the one they have. Tell me what the manufacturer has to loose if you run your tractor wide open all the time? Fuel consumption as well as overall wear go up with diesel engines as the rpm increases.
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

If it's PTO RPM all the time, why does a manufacturer both to install a throttle??

I guess so you can slow down to make a turn or drive around a tree, lol.
However with today's automatic type of tractors, running the engine wide open is possible. Doesn't make it a good idea as far as keeping the tractor engine in one piece, but as far as not pollution is concerned, it make EPA happy. Is EPA concerned about how much it costs to fix your tractor when it wears out from being run wide open all the time? Probably not, since they don't care about what their regulations are doing to the trucking industry.
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

I think your on the wrong forum. You keep talking about trucks and this is a tractor forum. Not in the same ballpark. Not ran or operated the same, as you tell us. Us tractor operators run our tractors full throttle or very near full throttle as soon as they warm up till we turn them off some times hours later. You say you have no experience with tractors with regen that are run like the factory says to run them, full out, yet you keep knocking tractors with regen systems????? What about motorcycles and go carts? Any advise on them?

I personally think you need to realize that telling someone they are on the wrong forum will not be accepted well.
As far as motorcycles, I can probably steer you in the right direction, if your willing to actually listen to what someone is saying, but apparently you don't read everything that I write, so what is the point. If I said bicycles tend to fall over when they stop moving and it was a motorcycle forum, you would probably tell me I was on the wrong forum, when in fact, motorcycles are simply bicycles with engines, or that is how they started. Diesel engines have been in many, many more trucks than in tractors, and if the discussion is about diesel engines, does it really matter what the engine is moving? Especially if it has something to do with an add-on system like the exhaust mandated by EPA. Watching what they did with other diesel engines and seeing how it affected them would be of more interest to tractor owners and prospective buyers. Truck drivers including myself have pulled out onto the interstate highways of this country and gone for hours never slowing down below the "wide open" pedal setting. Thinking your few hours behind the wheel of your tractor each day will even come close to operating a tractor trailer, makes me laugh. Many trucks are operated 24 hours a day, only stopping to fuel and wake the co-driver for his 11 hour turn behind the wheel.
You remind me of a boar we had on the farm when I was young, simply because you share the same name. Don't think much more of your posts than I would if he started posting.
David from jax

 

[AStanton]

I've bought over 20 new Kubotas from Steve Barlow. He knows more about tractors and Kubotas than I'll ever know. I'd ask him which one he would buy and that's the one I'd buy.

You should remember that Steve is a salesman first. As long as you put money in his pocket, he'll give you all the free advice you like. Too bad after owning "20 new Kubotas" you can't seem to form an opinion for yourself.

 

[BX23S-1]

Well i guess that takes care of THAT...!!! BAMMMMMM...!

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I own a tractor with regen. Sideline advisors with no actual experience with the specific product "opinions", not worth much to me. If any of you anti regens owned a recent Kubota tractor with regen it would be different but none of you do. :confused3: You buy and run yours as you like and I will mine. PTO rpms is not wide open by the way which you would know if you had any actual hands on experience with the exact product this thread is/was about. Why are you non owners/no experience with the exact product we are talking about so hostile and petty? :drink:

 

[sixdogs]

I could probably live with TIER IV but not the selective "duck-duck-duck---goose" web of laws of this stuff.

You want a fleet of jets to fly off to a global warming conference in Sweden and belch a black smoke and soot trail back to this country while using 50,000 gallons of fuel? No problem.

Want a small diesel tractor to put a few hours a year on and consume 30 gallons of fuel? Problem.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

I could probably live with TIER IV but not the selective "duck-duck-duck---goose" web of laws of this stuff.

You want a fleet of jets to fly off to a global warming conference in Sweden and belch a black smoke and soot trail back to this country while using 50,000 gallons of fuel? No problem.

Want a small diesel tractor to put a few hours a year on and consume 30 gallons of fuel? Problem.

We vote for and elect individuals to represent us and our (region/state/country) best interests and then they listen to who knows what interests to make their decisions that we have to live with. We then count on our fellow countrymen/women/foreigners to come up with a livable solution for their possibly/many times ill informed decisions or personal greed decisions. We can worry or sweat it or go forth with the best choice we have based on our opinions which are like butt holes, everyone has one.

 

[BlacknTan]

All you gents with a lifetime of experience running diesel rigs know nothing in the mind of a man who has, admittedly owned 20+ Kubotas over the course of a few years... Obviously, someone who knows not what he wants, or needs..

I used to be like that myself, around Christmastime, when I was 5 years old...

BTW, If I were the folks at Barlows, which I'm not, I'd make sure someone here stopped incessantly using our name and giving us a bad reputation for having a shill on the forum.

P.S.
With 7,000 posts, someone obviously spends more time running his Kubota(s) from his keyboard rather that his tractor seat.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

All you gents with a lifetime of experience running diesel rigs know nothing in the mind of a man who has, admittedly owned 20+ Kubotas over the course of a few years... Obviously, someone who knows not what he wants, or needs..

I used to be like that myself, around Christmastime, when I was 5 years old...

BTW, If I were the folks at Barlows, which I'm not, I'd make sure someone here stopped incessantly using our name and giving us a bad reputation for having a shill on the forum.

Another person heard from that has actual (NOT) experience with the subject of the original post. Re: First Regen Experience . Some people have to speak just to be heard even if it shows their ignorance. Anyone else that owns, spent their own money, have any input to the original thread?
Interesting that some peoples lives are so staid that they never change their circumstances by selling/buying/adding/reducing their property and thus changing their needs. I know for some that's a far fetched idea to increase/decrease/change their holdings and even job situation but it happens to many of us that have more of a life than to troll internet sites to post foolish remarks.
I buy from Barlows and have been for over 14 years and just bought another one yesterday. Ashamed or proud, neither it's just a fact and many people on TBN contact me (one today actually) about Barlows and my experience working with them, not for them. I like all the guys at Barlows and most people do. I'll always tell of my good buying/trading and bad experience and have nothing to apologize for. I have also met many people that are on TBN personally at my home that know my non working relationship with Barlows.
Interesting that some people want everyone else to be just like them and do only what they do or they feel insecure. Yep, been a Counselor for over 40 years many "issues" are very obvious.

 

[17 Oaks]

I am on my 3rd diesel truck that does regens, of course since it sez FORD F 350 instead of Kubota its must be completely different. Of course I have owned 20 F350's in the last few years and when my dealer sees me coming they are sure glad to see me, heck they are almost dancing out in the streets...it does seem strange to me that after 2 regens on these Fords I need to trade them in on a new one, but that is what my sales guy Steve Slick tells me so it must be true. And I agree, running that big Ford diesel at WOT its got to be good for the engine Steve said it was, sure gets me where I want to go in a hurry. Anyhow got go, had my 2nd regen this morning and Steve has me a new rig ready for me. Sad, as he said the other day, he is gonna retire after my next regen...TaTa from dreamland.

 

[wagne223]

I might regret chiming in here but here goes.......We tend to compare our tractor engines to the cars and trucks we drive everyday. It is not a good comparison.
Tractor engines are more closely related to boat engines whereas they are designed to run in the max HP range for extended periods of time.
Saying that running a tractor at WOT will cause premature failure is simply false. Burn more fuel, yes.....create more noise, yes.....but more wear,no.
We are only talking 3000 RPM at most. As long as the cooling system is designed for it, running an internal combustion engine at 3000 RPM all day will not hurt it at all.

In fact, it is better to run at 3000 RPM then at idle because the pistons and cylinders are cooled and camshaft is lubed by oil slinging off the crank. At Idle there is little of this slinging effect. That is why you are told not to idle a new engine. Those parts must have a lot of oil during the run in period.

Of course once an engine gets to 6000 RPM the valve train and and connecting rods begin to stress, so engines that regularly see that need parts designed for it.

I will finish by saying that, I like most, run my tractor at an RPM I feel is suitable for the task although never below 1500 for more then a few mins.
Yes sometimes that is WOT during heavy work, but mostly around 2000 for normal tasks.

 

[wagne223]

Also, it is pretty common knowledge that any diesel with a DPF needs to be run hard and hot to minimize soot output and help with the regen process. This is helped by running at higher RPM then tractor owners have on past models.

Not arguing whether DPF is good or bad, just stating how to help avoid issues.

 

[17 Oaks]

I might regret chiming in here but here goes.......We tend to compare our tractor engines to the cars and trucks we drive everyday. It is not a good comparison.
Tractor engines are more closely related to boat engines whereas they are designed to run in the max HP range for extended periods of time.
Saying that running a tractor at WOT will cause premature failure is simply false. Burn more fuel, yes.....create more noise, yes.....but more wear,no.
We are only talking 3000 RPM at most. As long as the cooling system is designed for it, running an internal combustion engine at 3000 RPM all day will not hurt it at all.

In fact, it is better to run at 3000 RPM then at idle because the pistons and cylinders are cooled and camshaft is lubed by oil slinging off the crank. At Idle there is little of this slinging effect. That is why you are told not to idle a new engine. Those parts must have a lot of oil during the run in period.

Of course once an engine gets to 6000 RPM the valve train and and connecting rods begin to stress, so engines that regularly see that need parts designed for it.

I will finish by saying that, I like most, run my tractor at an RPM I feel is suitable for the task although never below 1500 for more then a few mins.
Yes sometimes that is WOT during heavy work, but mostly around 2000 for normal tasks.

If that were true we would never need to do a engine rebuild. Its a mechanical device, metal on metal and wear does occur and is accelerated as the rpm's go up. Can you build an engine to work at WOT...certainly, boats, jet engines, race cars and in fact a dive into the GM HiPerf catalog will list engines designed to operate at WOT for extended periods. But I will assure you this shortens the life span. Even notice how the AA Fuel class rebuilds the engines after ever run down the 1320, why Jet engines are rebuilt based upon hours. Its not just because of high rpm albeit that will also shorten its life span. Until we can develop a frictionless engine they will all have a limited lifespan.

 

[wagne223]

If that were true we would never need to do a engine rebuild. Its a mechanical device, metal on metal and wear does occur and is accelerated as the rpm's go up. Can you build an engine to work at WOT...certainly, boats, jet engines, race cars and in fact a dive into the GM HiPerf catalog will list engines designed to operate at WOT for extended periods. But I will assure you this shortens the life span. Even notice how the AA Fuel class rebuilds the engines after ever run down the 1320, why Jet engines are rebuilt based upon hours. Its not just because of high rpm albeit that will also shorten its life span. Until we can develop a frictionless engine they will all have a limited lifespan.

Your statement is completely true, however, there is a huge difference between normal wear, excessive wear and premature failure.
I did not say there would be no wear, I'm saying that normal wear would not be different on a tractor engine that is run at 2000 RPM for 3000 hrs and a tractor engine run at 2800 RPM for 3000 hrs.

Race cars are a completely different story and Jet engines are not an ICE.....

 

[sixdogs]

JOHNTHOMAS--you're right. Don't sweat the small stuff and I agree. You're my go-to Kubota guy when I need to know something Kubota and based on actual user experience as well as book education.

 

[BlacknTan]

Another person heard from that has actual (NOT) experience with the subject of the original post. Re: First Regen Experience . Some people have to speak just to be heard even if it shows their ignorance. Anyone else that owns, spent their own money, have any input to the original thread?
Interesting that some peoples lives are so staid that they never change their circumstances by selling/buying/adding/reducing their property and thus changing their needs. I know for some that's a far fetched idea to increase/decrease/change their holdings and even job situation but it happens to many of us that have more of a life than to troll internet sites to post foolish remarks.
I buy from Barlows and have been for over 14 years and just bought another one yesterday. Ashamed or proud, neither it's just a fact and many people on TBN contact me (one today actually) about Barlows and my experience working with them, not for them. I like all the guys at Barlows and most people do. I'll always tell of my good buying/trading and bad experience and have nothing to apologize for. I have also met many people that are on TBN personally at my home that know my non working relationship with Barlows.
Interesting that some people want everyone else to be just like them and do only what they do or they feel insecure. Yep, been a Counselor for over 40 years many "issues" are very obvious.

Well, this is the first time I've been diagnosed as mentally ill by a silly post on the internet! After 40 years, I would think one should know better!

Physician .. Heal thyself!

P.S. Good thing it's rainy outside today... Upon further thought, perhaps I do need help.. I'm listening to a gentleman that made his living sitting on his bottom trying to help other people solve life's problems, tell us how to run our diesels...

I'll retire to bedlam! LOL

 

[AStanton]

Yep, been a Counselor for over 40 years many "issues" are very obvious.

I'm wondering if I got the facts correctly here: You're a mental health counselor, advising dysfunctional people in life-changing decisions and yet you need Steve Barlow to tell you what tractor to buy after purchasing 20 new ones?