Fluid in tires

[jlsmith]

I have several tractors some with the pink and some with the green. Just depended on which one i grabed at the time. Not to much worried about it, would be like worrying all the time what if my radiator hose broke and i got antifreeze and the ground. Unless the tire just blows i would have time to get it back to my shop before to much could get out. Dont get me wrong i am animal and enviroment friendly i just dont sweat the small stuff. If i was to have a big spill i would make shure it got cleaned up.

 

[Soundguy]

that would be like freaking out and clutching your chest when a rad hose blows. there are plenty of other things to worry about than incidental spills which can be easilly mitigated..

soundguy

 

[foggy1111]

that would be like freaking out and clutching your chest when a rad hose blows. there are plenty of other things to worry about than incidental spills which can be easilly mitigated..

soundguy

Common now. You are really riding a dead horse on this issue. First of all you are wrong about my assumption....and now you want to justify your smart-azz remarks.

While I can agree that there may be more serious things to worry about than an anti freeze spill.....its not a good practice to put ethylene glycol in tires for ballast...and there are plenty of reasons to avoid this practice: Including cost and the environment.

Of course your "epic" status probably provides some kind of exemption from reality. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Now, Mr. Epic Contributor: tell me how you can "easily mitigate" a 50 gallon spill of ethylene glycol....say when parked over your well.

 

[Markcuda]

Just get Rimguard, problems salved
But some just don't want to justify It's cost.

 

[Soundguy]

i made no smart remarks.

not justifying anything.. just giving an opinion.. like everyone else.

i think you are all wet on the cost issue for the ethylene glycol. it's cheaper.. at least here, than the non toxic stuff.

that said. i use the non toxic rv holding tank af in my tires that I have loaded.

how to mitigate a 50 spill. easy.. front end loader. scoop up the wet soil.

over my well? if I was over my well I'd have a ton of problems as there is a fence arounf the well casing plus the electrical box, plus the pressure tank.

for those that have a relocated tank, and a sub teranian casing. just dig up the wet soil. 50g of af mix is not going to beeline 100 feet into the ground and hit your ground water .. it's going to get absorbed by the first coulpe feet of soil.

if you have an open hand dug well and drove into it and popped a tire.. well.. I;d say you made some tactical errors there!

( ps.. i'm a ce.. water systems engineering is what i studdied ).

we clean up 50-100g oil and diesel spills.. it's not a huge deal if you get to work on it and don't let it set a few days and start spreading and leaching. easies and best metod to prevent further contamination is to remove the bulk of the contaminated material and sequester it so that it cannot leach further into the environment

if you are worried about water quality.. i wouldn't live next to any old gas stations or dry cleaners, paint factories or older land fills.. especially unlined ones. that list can go on for another 10-20 locations of where you could find a high level of ground contaminates.. and not kid stuff like EG.. but nasty stuff like benzene...

soundguy

Common now. You are really riding a dead horse on this issue. First of all you are wrong about my assumption....and now you want to justify your smart-azz remarks.

While I can agree that there may be more serious things to worry about than an anti freeze spill.....its not a good practice to put ethylene glycol in tires for ballast...and there are plenty of reasons to avoid this practice: Including cost and the environment.

Of course your "epic" status probably provides some kind of exemption from reality. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Now, Mr. Epic Contributor: tell me how you can "easily mitigate" a 50 gallon spill of ethylene glycol....say when parked over your well.

 

[foggy1111]

My point is that if everyone did this your going to have lots of freak spills that are going to cause problems. Like a flat around your vineyard, orchard, tomato's, sweet corn, fish pond......well you get the picture.

And....it may be a little hard to get "on it" with the fel when your rear tires are flat. :laughing: BUT.....YOU maybe have a plan for that too. :laughing: (I know, I know.....that's why we all need a second tractor :laughing.

Now....imagine if 1/2 the tractor owners put EG in thier rear tires for ballast. Now 10 or 20 years later.....where do you suppose that old EG ends up?? Everyone is going to recycle it you say? Yeah....right.

It's NOT a good practice. And there are better ways to ballast a tractor. Period.

I rest my case.

OH.....and where do you propose to put the EG contaminated dirt from our spill "mitigation"? In your yard?

 

[foggy1111]

Just get Rimguard, problems salved
But some just don't want to justify It's cost.

I realize your a rim-guard fan. I have rim-guard in my rears too. But, I'm not too sure I will do it again if the need arrises. First off....its not readilly available here and the cost is higher than other ballast. Then....the rim-guard installer is a long ways away....and its a PITA to haul my tractor for the juice. Third.....its going to get costly for him to come for a tire fill. If I were a farmer and had numerous tractors to deal with.....I'm afraid Rim Guard would be out of the equation....unless something changes.

Yes, it weighs more, its non toxic, and its a fine product.

 

[Soundguy]

well of course when you get a flat you go get your 2nd tractor to clean it up! that's why ya need a 2nd tractor.

in reality.. I'd be more concerned about a cacl spill in my orchard or vineyard than the eg... and I use cacl too.

disposal? safe disposal is the responsibility of the owner. since it's easy to find places to take used antifreeze.. i consier it a non issue.. garages, shops, some palces that sell it.. solid waste dept.. etc. probably 10 places I can drive to in 15 minutes take it. might be harder / longer drive depending on where you live.. but that's the cost and responsibility of ownership. all part and parcel.

soil? I'd say micro flora treatment or activated sludge...

soundguy

My point is that if everyone did this your going to have lots of freak spills that are going to cause problems. Like a flat around your vineyard, orchard, tomato's, sweet corn, fish pond......well you get the picture.

And....it may be a little hard to get "on it" with the fel when your rear tires are flat. :laughing: BUT.....YOU maybe have a plan for that too. :laughing: (I know, I know.....that's why we all need a second tractor :laughing.

Now....imagine if 1/2 the tractor owners put EG in thier rear tires for ballast. Now 10 or 20 years later.....where do you suppose that old EG ends up?? Everyone is going to recycle it you say? Yeah....right.

It's NOT a good practice. And there are better ways to ballast a tractor. Period.

I rest my case.

OH.....and where do you propose to put the EG contaminated dirt? In your yard?

 

[foggy1111]

well of course when you get a flat you go get your 2nd tractor to clean it up! that's why ya need a 2nd tractor.

in reality.. I'd be more concerned about a cacl spill in my orchard or vineyard than the eg... and I use cacl too.

disposal? safe disposal is the responsibility of the owner. since it's easy to find places to take used antifreeze.. i consier it a non issue.. garages, shops, some palces that sell it.. solid waste dept.. etc. probably 10 places I can drive to in 15 minutes take it. might be harder / longer drive depending on where you live.. but that's the cost and responsibility of ownership. all part and parcel.

soil? I'd say micro flora treatment or activated sludge...

soundguy

Hmmm.....If your not too worried about it....let's pour you an 8oz glass of 50/50 EG/Water......and bottoms up? Same for CC/Water. I'll write up a report on your health in a few days. Deal?

In another life.....looong ago, I worked for a testing laboratory (soils, water, bacteria, etc.) . Back then, some farmers accidentally contaminated their wells as they were not familiar with some of the "new" chemicals being promoted. We still suffer from some misuse of a few of those chemicals......although we have sent most of the contaminated produce to folks down in Florida. :laughing:

People have done all kinds of bad practices in time gone by. I'm not an environmental freak.....it's simply BAD ADVISE to promote EG for ballast....IMO.

 

[lucky llama]

.although we have sent most of the contaminated produce to folks down in Florida

Hey why ya knocking Florida? Those guy's don't use antifreeze in their tires:laughing::laughing:

 

[foggy1111]

.although we have sent most of the contaminated produce to folks down in Florida

Hey why ya knocking Florida? Those guy's don't use antifreeze in their tires:laughing::laughing:

NO....your right, those boys in FL dont need much antifreeze....but some seem to know allot about it.

And.....I just felt like taking one to task on it. :laughing:

 

[johnk]

There are a lot more toxic things in the world to worry about than some fluid in a few tires. Go after the big industrial polluters and leave the tires alone. Miniscule, as compared to what big brother does, and gets away with. A few gallons here and there is nit picking. Concentrate your energy on the BP oil spill. Ain't no loader bucket gonna clean that so you should focus on the big stuff. Leave Soundguy alone.

 

[NOTV8]

And this is what I did... :thumbsup: -20 WW with 33 or 34 gals. per tire using the pump of my pool cover.

 

[johnk]

How long did it take to fill both tires? I like fluid in tires for stability. Let us know rhe difference in feel when operating...

 

[foggy1111]

There are a lot more toxic things in the world to worry about than some fluid in a few tires. Go after the big industrial polluters and leave the tires alone. Miniscule, as compared to what big brother does, and gets away with. A few gallons here and there is nit picking. Concentrate your energy on the BP oil spill. Ain't no loader bucket gonna clean that so you should focus on the big stuff. Leave Soundguy alone.

Sure their is bigger stuff to worry about. But that is not what this thread was about. Tell me what big brother has to do with ballast and your tires? That's faulty logic.

I don't care if all of TBN puts glycol in their tires and claims its OK. It's not.

Geesh :confused2:

 

[mcd176]

Foggy1111,

I thought you rested your case on the subject of spilled antifreeze at 1108 am this morning? I think everyone gets the point that you disagree with using antifreeze!

 

[Soundguy]

Hmmm.....If your not too worried about it....let's pour you an 8oz glass of 50/50 EG/Water......and bottoms up? Same for CC/Water. I'll write up a report on your health in a few days. Deal?

In another life.....looong ago, I worked for a testing laboratory (soils, water, bacteria, etc.) . Back then, some farmers accidentally contaminated their wells as they were not familiar with some of the "new" chemicals being promoted. We still suffer from some misuse of a few of those chemicals......although we have sent most of the contaminated produce to folks down in Florida. :laughing:

People have done all kinds of bad practices in time gone by. I'm not an environmental freak.....it's simply BAD ADVISE to promote EG for ballast....IMO.

this kind of post does not even warrant a response. it started as a red herring .

(click) (click) (click) ahhhh.. much better...

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

There are a lot more toxic things in the world to worry about than some fluid in a few tires. Go after the big industrial polluters and leave the tires alone. Miniscule, as compared to what big brother does, and gets away with. A few gallons here and there is nit picking. Concentrate your energy on the BP oil spill. Ain't no loader bucket gonna clean that so you should focus on the big stuff. Leave Soundguy alone.

don't worry. it's not worth arguing about.

If he thinks he took me to task .. that's fine.

while any poloution is bad.. it's not the dripping faucet we need to look at but the gushing pipe as you point out. one company can do it 1 day what thousands or hundreds of thousands of individual incedental user esposures can muster in a lifetime. How many gallons per hour was that bp well gusing? how many indians did DOW bury? as for soil contamination of eg.. once you get it under 1300ppm it's not toxic.. and micro flora treatment is quite effective in short order... it's what the military has used for even LARGE spills in the 4000+ gallon range...

why someone thinks that has anything to do with pouring a straight glass and drinking it.. makes me wonder about the structure of their logic...

any case.. I'll no longer argue with him about it.. I said my piece. anyone is free to research how you clean up eg contaminated soil. aside from the use of sludge or flora, I guess you could furnace treatment, then deal with the nasty gasses... lots of stuff is cooked and handled that way.. but then what do I know.. I'm just a water systems engineer right?

soundguy

 

[RoyJackson]

You mention beet juice, are you assuming we all are going to think beet juice is Rim Guard?

Heck yeah...we all know Rim Guard is beet juice! Been around for years...

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. just like facial tissue is kleenex!

soundguy