Update... Been using the tractor to shred a few times the last couple of weeks and it's been running good. In between shredding, I changed the hydraulic fluid, cleaned out the metal strainer, replaced the o-rings on the hydraulic lines, cleaned the air cleaner out, replaced the oil in the air cleaner, drained the oil in the injector pump and replaced the oil. The steering is fairly sloppy and I've found out the pervious owners broke something in the steering that was welded back instead of replaced. More importantly, I went to fuel up with ag/red diesel after a shredding session and now the tractor won't start. Prior to this tank, the tractor had only ever been ran on normal road diesel. If I put the throttle at half throttle, like I normally do to start, it just turns over like it normally would to start, but never quite gets running. I tried to start it on full throttle and the cranking seems to be happening slower at full throttle. Over a few hours, I tried it several more times, but got the same results. I purged the fuel lines and injector pump and the red fuel flowed out as expected. I've always used Power Service Diesel Kleen +Cetane Boost and have done so in this tractor also. Anyone ever had issues going from road to red diesel? my understanding is that the only different is the dye. Please understand I'm not trying to start a debate on the quality of various fuels.
JC-jetro
Elite Member
I'm perplexed as both are the same with difference being dye. Saying that I never bought red dyed diesel for ag. At work, we have 3 ,10000 gallon tanks and we always use non-road type diesel and also use it on several vehicles that have diesel engine and never had an issue. I do use the same power service product for my old Ford and have had no issues. Will see what others think of this problem. Why don't you save the red diesel in a tank and buy some road type and see you end up where yu left off.
JC,
JC,
JC,
I use fuel from the same barrel on my IH 886 and Power Service as well. Just seems like I read somewhere of a person having an issue of switch from road grade fuel to dyed diesel, but I'm not sure it made much more sense than my situation. If' I don't get any other suggestions, I do plan to drain the fuel and try again with road diesel. Good thing this tank is only 5 gallons and not the 50that is in the 886!
Thanks
nsmithnd
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Does it normally start right up or do you have to use the glow plugs? I think I've mentioned in another thread that when I got my 1700 home after a 4 hour trailer trip, it would not start for nothing. It ended up being the thumb screws on the glow plugs (they came loose during the trip). Something easy to check anyway if the plugs are the norm and it's been bounced around out in the field.
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cjfling said:
I thinking that when you changed oil in the injector pump, something went wrong. I believe messin' with red diesel is not gonna solve your problem. Since the tractor was running so well before, you have to look at the one thing you did that had something to do with the fuel system. I believe recently somebody else had problems after changing injector oil. JC, can you jog my memory? Didn't you help somebody with a similar problem? Was it Pete Clausen?
Yep! Found it here.
JC-jetro
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You are right Mr. Jim , good memory:thumbsup:
Cj, did your fuel injector pump have drain and level hole? Did you open the back plate of the pump? how did you change oil and how much did you put in? how much old oil did you dump out?
JC,
Cj, did your fuel injector pump have drain and level hole? Did you open the back plate of the pump? how did you change oil and how much did you put in? how much old oil did you dump out?
JC,
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It has all the holes specified in the book: drain, level, and fill. I didn't have to open the back plate. I put in oil like the book said, until it runs out of the level plug. I didn't have a measuring cup to put in the amount you suggested. As far as how much came out, if I had to guess about two ounces. It was real dirty black. It ran fine for at least an hour in the field with regular street diesel after servicing the injector. When the tractor is cold, I do have to use the glow plugs. I will check the glow plug thumb screws and try it. If that doesn't help, I'm going to draining the red diesel and swap it back to street to see. I plan to give the tank a good cleaning also. I haven't searched the forums yet, but do you have any recommendations on interior, metal tank cleanup? I've been meaning to get some pictures also, but I keep forgetting to bring my camera.
Thanks to all that responded.
Thanks to all that responded.
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JC-jetro
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CJ,
Go ahead and remove the rubber fuel house from tank after you shut the tank valve off. Out a cup under the hose and open up the valve. I'm going to make a wild guess that you have a very low flow or no flow at all. Same thing happened to me and it was a piece of rubber coming off of fuel tank cap. I ended up blow some air from the hose end in to tank to open it up. When I tried to clean my tank. took a round brass brush form HF . the ones you put on dril. You want something non-sparking, steel will cause spark. That is very important with gas but as important with diesel. I got a long 1/4 dia rod and welded the brush to the rod. My plan was to drive the brush/shaft with a drill. I emptied my tank. and realized I had no rust at all, so I kept about 1 cup of diesel in there and brush it some to get dome sediment out, sloshed it around and dumped. Used clean diesel and repeated the procedure couple of time and each time used just 1 cup or so of diesel. keep teh contaminated diesel to use it when you have burn.
JC,
PS. You did everything right for changing the oil from your description. Can't see any cause you could have done specially no opening the back plate. Pete had no drain hole and had to open the back plate.
Go ahead and remove the rubber fuel house from tank after you shut the tank valve off. Out a cup under the hose and open up the valve. I'm going to make a wild guess that you have a very low flow or no flow at all. Same thing happened to me and it was a piece of rubber coming off of fuel tank cap. I ended up blow some air from the hose end in to tank to open it up. When I tried to clean my tank. took a round brass brush form HF . the ones you put on dril. You want something non-sparking, steel will cause spark. That is very important with gas but as important with diesel. I got a long 1/4 dia rod and welded the brush to the rod. My plan was to drive the brush/shaft with a drill. I emptied my tank. and realized I had no rust at all, so I kept about 1 cup of diesel in there and brush it some to get dome sediment out, sloshed it around and dumped. Used clean diesel and repeated the procedure couple of time and each time used just 1 cup or so of diesel. keep teh contaminated diesel to use it when you have burn.
JC,
PS. You did everything right for changing the oil from your description. Can't see any cause you could have done specially no opening the back plate. Pete had no drain hole and had to open the back plate.
it sounds like the off road diesel is coincidental to the actual problem. is there a way to flush out the fuel pump? when you drained and refilled some tiny piece of debris may have become dislodged. i'm guessing that you are the only one whose done any maintenance on this thing in a long time.
of course the diesel could be contaminated but then you wouldn't be the only one with problems using it. has the place you got it from had any complaints about it?
of course the diesel could be contaminated but then you wouldn't be the only one with problems using it. has the place you got it from had any complaints about it?
JC,
I'm going out to the farm this evening and hope to check the fuel flow and glow plug thumb screws. Don't have a H.F. in town, but will at least empty the last little bit of fuel for burning just in case. Someone else had posted a while back about there being something above the valve inside the tank. I'm thinking about taking the valve loose and making sure everything is good with that.
Randy,
I think the diesel is good as I use it from the same barrel in another tractor. This tractor sat for two years at the place I got it from and I doubt they serviced the injector pump.
Thanks for all help!
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