Ford 1710 Injector Pump oil Problems

[asylum]

JC,
Thanks for all your help, but am I missing something? I don't have the oil-level screw or drain screw. I see the fill plug on top. I keep reading the instructions and they are very simple, but I don't have the drain and oil-level screw on the side of my pump.

I also appreciate the links. I have read through them as well.


Bob

 

[JC-jetro]

JC,
Thanks for all your help, but am I missing something? I don't have the oil-level screw or drain screw. I see the fill plug on top. I keep reading the instructions and they are very simple, but I don't have the drain and oil-level screw on the side of my pump.

I also appreciate the links. I have read through them as well.


Bob

Bob,

Post a close up pic of the pump and we'll go from there. I see that fig 129 from IT FO-44 does not show the entire pump for 1710. The lower part of the pump that should have drain and level screw is not shown. May be there is something to it.

JC,

 

[asylum]

JC,

I'll take a pic after work today and will post tonight.

Thanks!!!!

Bob

 

[RobJ]

you can also check to see if they updated the injection pump lube. Look for a small metal line coming up from the block somewhere (oil galley) and attaching to the injection pump. Oil would come in here. Then they removed the seal on the front shaft and the oil would flow back into the crankcase through the front bearing. Typical Bosch style inline pump lube when the injection has the governor build in.

Maybe...

Rob

 

[JC-jetro]

JC,

I'll take a pic after work today and will post tonight.

Thanks!!!!

Bob

BOb,

See what I found in FO-44. As they say devil is in the details. If you read it closely it does say the darn thing on 1710,1919 and 2110 is lubricated by the crankcase lube. I reckon when you drain the engine oil it somehow drains the injector but oil new oil fill does not fill the pump. it is a bit confusing though. it says how much oil to put in it also (5 oz). I still like to see the pic. No wonder why Randy's manual says just fill it.

JC,

 

[asylum]

Guess that answers it. I will try to get some good pictures and put them up, but at least it sounds like the oil is coming from the crankcase.

As for hydraulic oil for the tranny, I found F-134 is what I should use. I'm a little low on the dipstick (bottom of stick). I am going to get a gallon and add it to the tranny. Hoping one gallon will do it. The previous owners had the tractor for 4-5 years and never changed the hydraulic fluid. It still looks clean so I am going to add oil to it rather than changing out 5 gallons. Might just change the filter.

Bob

 

[JC-jetro]

Guess that answers it. I will try to get some good pictures and put them up, but at least it sounds like the oil is coming from the crankcase.

As for hydraulic oil for the tranny, I found F-134 is what I should use. I'm a little low on the dipstick (bottom of stick). I am going to get a gallon and add it to the tranny. Hoping one gallon will do it. The previous owners had the tractor for 4-5 years and never changed the hydraulic fluid. It still looks clean so I am going to add oil to it rather than changing out 5 gallons. Might just change the filter.

Bob

Bob,

You can buy 2 gallon jugs of Mystick Hyd oil compatible with Ford 134 hyd fluid pretty inexpensively. I think about $20 per 2 gallon jug. It is a good oil. My oil looked great by the dip stick inspection but looked horrible in the differential housing. Transmission housing is not where the contaminant collect, it is in the low velocity areas in the differential housing where it happens. There is a large suction strainer to clean the oil prior to hyd pump suction . You may be mixing good oil with the bad. if I were you, I would replace the whole oil and clean the differential housing and suction strainer. Hydraulic pump cavitation can lead to permanent pump failure and you would not know it till it is late. Look at the thread below and see how my strainer looked.

JC,

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/nh-owning-operating/88973-sos-i-have-my-first.html

 

[randy41]

i've had my 1710 for 18-19 years and have changed the oil a few times and just topped up the injector pump with oil and the thing still runs...either i am very lucky and should play the lottery more or what i'm doing works good.
as far as hydraulics go, when mine quits working I drain the fluid, change the filter and refill. then it starts working again. yes, when it quits working its annoying and delays what I need to do but I get over it. the last time i did this i bought pennzoil fluid. they think that what they got at the tractor dealer is something real special based on what they charge. its all the same stuff.

 

[asylum]

JC,

Hope this picture comes through.

As for the oil, where is a good place to purchase this oil? What about the oil at Walmart. I know they sell 5 gallons of hydraulic/tranny oil for tractors. If not recommended, who sells the Mystic oil you mention?

I also found where it is leaking. It is coming out of the housing that holds the hydraulic filter. Looks like it is leaking where it mounts to the transmission case. A simple gasket I'm assuming.

Hope this picture comes through.

 

[JC-jetro]

JC,

Hope this picture comes through.

As for the oil, where is a good place to purchase this oil? What about the oil at Walmart. I know they sell 5 gallons of hydraulic/tranny oil for tractors. If not recommended, who sells the Mystic oil you mention?

I also found where it is leaking. It is coming out of the housing that holds the hydraulic filter. Looks like it is leaking where it mounts to the transmission case. A simple gasket I'm assuming.

Hope this picture comes through.

Bob,

Picture came through just fine. Well.. well .. How about them apples? On the lower left corner of the pump you see two holes that are lined up vertically. I have one screw in each, top one was the level hole and bottom was the drain hole and oil fill on top as you know. The darn pump looks exactly like mine. My pump is only connected to the engine from the front where it is coupled to the timing gear housing. It is yet a mystery to me how the oil gets drained after you filled the injector pump. The normal engine oil level must be the same as normal oil in the injector for the physics to work (siphon principal), if the oil in the engine and pump are connected by a drain line they should seek same level. If the engine oil pressure lubes the pump then, injector pump can be higher and should be a drain to the crankcase that is continuously draining.. if that is the case, why fill the injector pump separately. This is giving me a bit of headache you know... by the way I meant to say it in my earlier post. I bought my oil from TSC (Tractor Supply). if you do not have the store I recalled soundguy mentioned some universal UTF sold in Walmart that meets and exceeds Ford 134.

JC,