FORD 4600 REMOTE HYDRAULICS QUESTION

[JRM6868]

Here is what is on my 4600. It only has a single remote.

Looking at it from the back

So here's my question...I just bought a ford series 204 disc harrow with flexo hitch with travel wheels.
One of my tractors a ford 3000 has a dual acting remote(I think I'm saying it right) with a supply and return will work this because the cylinder has a supply and return hose. My 4600 is on my other farm, only has this single hose. What do I need or is there a kit to make this a two hose remote on my 4600?

Thanks for your time.
Joe

 

[Opti-Mist]

What you are showing in the pictures is an Auxilliary Services Valve which only functions as single-acting. The best solution is to install a single- or double-spool remote control valve to operate the double-acting lift cylinder for the transport wheels of the disc.

 

[JRM6868]

Is this what I need?

http://www.ytmag.com/store/parts/pics/wm_HV4111.jpg

Hydraulic Valve Kit - Kit assembly, includes 1-spool valve with handle. For 2000, 2600, 3000, 3600, 4000, 4600, 5000, 500, 5600, 600, 6600, 700, 800, 900. (Part No: HV4111)



If so is this something I can just take off the Aux service valve and bolt this one on? Or is it something I need to take to a mechanic?

Thanks,
Joe

 

[JRM6868]

Here is a better pic of the same thing I believe.
Ford 500 thru 6600 Add on 1 Spool Remote Hydraulic Kit | eBay

 

[Jerry/MT]

Here is what is on my 4600. It only has a single remote.

Looking at it from the back

So here's my question...I just bought a ford series 204 disc harrow with flexo hitch with travel wheels.
One of my tractors a ford 3000 has a dual acting remote(I think I'm saying it right) with a supply and return will work this because the cylinder has a supply and return hose. My 4600 is on my other farm, only has this single hose. What do I need or is there a kit to make this a two hose remote on my 4600?

Thanks for your time.
Joe

You can also operate the disc cylinder single acting by rigging a vent plug on the "down " side of the cylinder. You can then power the cylinder to lift the disk and let gravity power it down, but then the the wheels will float on the ground with the disk. Otherwise you'll have to put a double acting remote on the tractor.

 

[JRM6868]

You can also operate the disc cylinder single acting by rigging a vent plug on the "down " side of the cylinder. You can then power the cylinder to lift the disk and let gravity power it down, but then the the wheels will float on the ground with the disk. Otherwise you'll have to put a double acting remote on the tractor.

I don't think I would want to do that would I if I want to control my disc depth also by setting the wheels to a certain depth for the disc?

Am I understanding what your saying?

The wheels would just kinda free float along the top when the cylinder isn't activated and in travel mode when it is?

Thanks
Joe

 

[Jerry/MT]

I don't think I would want to do that would I if I want to control my disc depth also by setting the wheels to a certain depth for the disc?

Am I understanding what your saying?

The wheels would just kinda free float along the top when the cylinder isn't activated and in travel mode when it is?

Thanks
Joe

Yes that's what I meant. I not much of a farmer and I don't have a wheel carry disc. When I disc anything on our ranch I set the full weight of disc on the ground. I never herd of using the wheels on a wheel disc to carry part of the disc weigh when you are discing. Of course, as I said, I'm not a farmer.
I use a 3 pt disc. If I set the disc in the position mode I could possibly fix the depth of the disc but why would I want to do that? I thought discing was an all or nothing deal. You don't set discing depth. Am I out to lunch?

 

[JRM6868]

Yes that's what I meant. I not much of a farmer and I don't have a wheel carry disc. When I disc anything on our ranch I set the full weight of disc on the ground. I never herd of using the wheels on a wheel disc to carry part of the disc weigh when you are discing. Of course, as I said, I'm not a farmer.
I use a 3 pt disc. If I set the disc in the position mode I could possibly fix the depth of the disc but why would I want to do that? I thought discing was an all or nothing deal. You don't set discing depth. Am I out to lunch?

When planting food plots and such you can broadcast your peas and beans and set the disc to about 3/4"-1" just to get your coverage of your seed. Works out pretty well.

 

[Jerry/MT]

When planting food plots and such you can broadcast your peas and beans and set the disc to about 3/4"-1" just to get your coverage of your seed. Works out pretty well.

I use a chain harrow to cover seed. The disc is basically a primary tillage tool to prepare ths soil. What ever works for you, though. A chain harrow is probably much cheaper than adding a hydraulic remote, but the remote will make your tractor more useful for other purposes.

 

[Soundguy]

the power beyond plate will go under that sa diverter remote.

or you could simply use a basic da valve plugged into that diverter, and then run the return hose back tot he sump via the pipe plug 'level check' connection on the axle trumpet.. a cheap da valve is about 80$ at tsc.

or you can get the spendy 400$ ( 200 used ) oe style remote valve that goes on the lift cover in place of that diverter.

all are viable options.

generic open center da spool and a spare hose and fitting.. etc are the cheapest route at probably 120$ for the valve and the extra hosing and connectors, and the return hose to the sump at the rear axle.

soundguy

 

[JRM6868]

the power beyond plate will go under that sa diverter remote.

or you could simply use a basic da valve plugged into that diverter, and then run the return hose back tot he sump via the pipe plug 'level check' connection on the axle trumpet.. a cheap da valve is about 80$ at tsc.

or you can get the spendy 400$ ( 200 used ) oe style remote valve that goes on the lift cover in place of that diverter.

all are viable options.

generic open center da spool and a spare hose and fitting.. etc are the cheapest route at probably 120$ for the valve and the extra hosing and connectors, and the return hose to the sump at the rear axle.

soundguy

Could you give me some links to what your talking about?
Thanks
Joe

 

[Soundguy]

tractor supply and many other stores carry generic 'log splitter' style open center valves.. both sa and da, and some single and double spool, with some convertable to closed center.

just kind of a generic valve.. etc..

something similar:

SpeeCo SCO Open Center/Detent Valve - 1820398 | Tractor Supply Company

or even this:

Chief 1 Spool Hydraulic Control 3 Way or 4 Way Valve - 1820128 | Tractor Supply Company

and there are plenty other cheaper ones at:

Surplus Center - Hydraulics, Engines, Electrical and More

Surplus Center - 1 SPOOL SV VALVE OPEN CENTER



or the oem 'style' like this:

Valve - Valve, single-spool, (non-detent\spring centering) less handle. For 2000, 2600, 2610, 3000, 3600, 3610, 4000, 4600, 4610, 5000, 500, 5600, 600, 6600, 700, 800, 900, (Part No: E1NNB950AB)

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soundguy

 

[JRM6868]

oem 'style' like this:

Valve - Valve, single-spool, (non-detent\spring centering) less handle. For 2000, 2600, 2610, 3000, 3600, 3610, 4000, 4600, 4610, 5000, 500, 5600, 600, 6600, 700, 800, 900, (Part No: E1NNB950AB)

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soundguy

I was looking at that website and they had this...Will this work also or what's the difference between the one you posted and this one.This is all new to me I appreciate the help. They look the same.

PARTS FORD Hydraulic Valve Kit - Kit assembly, includes 1-spool valve with handle. For 2000, 2600, 3000, 3600, 4000, 4600, 5000, 500, 5600, 600, 6600, 700, 800, 900. (Part No: HV4111)

 

[Soundguy]

difference is about 120$

the kit I listed is a direct bolt on replacement for the lil option cover under the seat. you unbolt the cover and bolt this one on and run the hoses from there to the implement... etc.this kit is more$$.. like 120$ more.. you can also get this in a dual valve setup.. and it gets even more expensive.


your kit, you unbolt the lil cover, lift it up, and sandwich that power beyond plate under it and bolt back down. then it has an in/out port on the side that feeds a valve that you mount on a fender or other location.. your remote hoses then go from that valve to the implement. that kit comes with what looks like a single valve.. you can get kits with more than 1 valve.. or swap your own valve in at a later time.. and open center valve generally works.. but vlves designed for PB work better due to back pressure from the 3pt.. etc..

soundguy

 

[JRM6868]

or the oem 'style' like this:

Valve - Valve, single-spool, (non-detent\spring centering) less handle. For 2000, 2600, 2610, 3000, 3600, 3610, 4000, 4600, 4610, 5000, 500, 5600, 600, 6600, 700, 800, 900, (Part No: E1NNB950AB)

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soundguy

So if I want to keep it clean and simple without a bunch of hoses and couplers running anywhere this is the easiest and cleanest but most expensive.
Also if I'm understanding right a single spool valve control one cylinder and a double spool valve can control a single or a double?

 

[Soundguy]

a single top cover valve will control 1 cyl.. a dual top cover valve will control 2 cyl's. I know on the dual valves, you have the option to make one port operate in SA mode, witht he other port stying in DA mode. not sure on the single spool models.. but believe that also can be setup as SA by turning a screw, etc. ( same as the dual valve ).

they are more tidy yes.. and for a remote.. they are fine.

if you are running a loader or something.. it is a bit klunky controlling hte laoder from under your right leg.. however I do it on 2-3 of my tractors..

soundguy