Ford 6.4L diesel replacement!

skargo · Aug 11, 2008

The current Ford and GM diesels are rated light duty, the cummins is rated medium duty, nuff said!

redneckford · Aug 11, 2008

swines-----they must have "***--u----me---d" that you were like all those other "nerds" that bought a real truck with all the bells and gadgets to drive it to work or town to be seen in a fine ride and never use it for real truck work like pulling heavy loads or carrying heavy loads besides the wife and kids. If so you just got lucky!!!! You know the type the ones that wash and wax every week and dare to get a little dust on their "truck". Trucks were originally engineered to be workbut the auto industry found that they can make more profit selling these trucks for car use than to a working man that will work abuse and use the truck. They would rather fix a paint scratch than a blown rear end or trans!!!!!

mikim · Aug 11, 2008

re: F-100 ..... my FIL has one ... 6 cyl, vinyl mats, no radio, 3 speed on column,... I think it's a 72 model.

dgl24087 · Aug 11, 2008

swines said:
Really? I see you have little grasp of the insurance industry. If what you are saying is true, then why is the insurance on my 2008, King Ranch F350 4x4, crewcab, dually, diesel LESS per year than the 2002 Volvo S-60 I own???

I'm totally sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, I covered this in a previous post on this site. It is Ford design based on the Range Rover diesel they're currently producing. It was designed at the Ford Dagenham England Diesel Centre of Exellence. It will be produced in the Ford Mexico engine plant as they have capacity there for the motor. The U.S. plants are being converted to produce the EcoBoost engine. The EcoBoost motors are being introduced in limited 2008 models. As production capacity can be ramped up, all cars and light trucks with gasoline motors will use this design.

GM is looking at a joint venture with Ford on the EcoBoost design for GM gas motors, with Ford getting the GM "Volt" technology in return. The last Ford/GM joint venture was for the 6-speed automatic transmission that is in both Ford and GM automobiles.

I believe Builder is correct on the Peugeot link, as Peugeot Citroen (or PSA) had a hand in designing the socalled "Lion" diesel for the Land Rover, and supplies Ford of Europe with 4 cyl. diesels.

RollingsFarms · Aug 11, 2008

dgl24087 said:
I believe Builder is correct on the Peugeot link, as Peugeot Citroen (or PSA) had a hand in designing the socalled "Lion" diesel for the Land Rover, and supplies Ford of Europe with 4 cyl. diesels.

yeah, i believe he's right too. i remember reading an article on a truck website that said this diesel Ford was coming out with was being partnered with Peugeot. either that, or i am certain they have future plans to have diesels made by them. this new diesel might very well be those future plans they mentioned. Ford's designing them and Peugeot is gonna produce them, that was my understanding.

Builder · Aug 11, 2008

skargo said:
The current Ford and GM diesels are rated light duty, the cummins is rated medium duty, nuff said!

Let me tell you something, the 5.9L cummins rated "medium duty" also has a greatly reduced power level so it can survive the rigors or medium duty applications. I'd consider the GMC5500 a medium duty truck. It's available with a 6.6L DMAX at 360 or 300HP.

skargo · Aug 11, 2008

Builder said:
Let me tell you something, the 5.9L cummins rated "medium duty" also has a greatly reduced power level so it can survive the rigors or medium duty applications. I'd consider the GMC5500 a medium duty truck. It's available with a 6.6L DMAX at 360 or 300HP.

I'd consider that 5500 medium duty too, with a light duty engine

Dargo · Aug 11, 2008

Egon said:
After the moths left my wallet I am resolved to make do with my anemic 96 Dodge Cumins with all of 185 HP. and 420 pounds of torque!

How'd you get that? I guess you got more power in the Canada model. My '96 Dodge 1 ton 4X4 dually with the 12v Cummins only had 180 hp and 420 torque. (Yeah, I'm being sarcastic

) Anyway, for the last 7 years I had it it was putting out just over 400 hp and well over 1000 ft. lbs. of torque. After driving that and pulling with that for years, all of the new stock trucks felt anemic and like they had something wrong with them. The Chevy dealer was bragging that their new Dribble Max put out over 600 ft. lbs. of torque, and asked what I'd think about driving something like that. (wrong question) I told him that I'd likely be unimpressed when I drove something with about 40% less torque than "the old Dodge" he pointed to that I'd driven onto the lot.

That is the dealership where I made the $50 bet with them. I'd asked them if their new diesel would smoke all 4 rear tires taking off from a dead stop. They laughed at me and said "no, just like that old Dodge won't". The bet was made and I picked up almost enough money to cover the rubber I burnt off my rear tires.

However, in stock configuration, I'd have to say that it felt pretty clear to me that the GM diesel had the best acceleration followed by the 6.7 Cummins powered Dodge and the Ford 6.4 diesel was the slowest. There again, I'm not exactly sure what amount of importance to place on drag racing diesel pickups. It kills me that I still see about 20 Toyota Tundra commercials each night with the voice over by that guy who sounds like he smokes 5 packs a day bragging about how fast the Toyota Tundra is. It may be fast, but it isn't leaving the dealership's lot all that fast. They are just as dead as any other full sized pickups or SUVs. FWIW, I've heard that it is faster than the Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi and faster than the GM 6.0 liter gas truck but slower than the Nissan Titan. But, that's only what I've heard; I haven't driven them. I think I'd be disappointed driving a gas powered 1/2 ton pickup trying to tow a 15 to 20k trailer.

Robert_in_NY · Aug 11, 2008

Dargo said:
How'd you get that? I guess you got more power in the Canada model. My '96 Dodge 1 ton 4X4 dually with the 12v Cummins only had 180 hp and 420 torque. (Yeah, I'm being sarcastic ) Anyway, for the last 7 years I had it it was putting out just over 400 hp and well over 1000 ft. lbs. of torque. After driving that and pulling with that for years, all of the new stock trucks felt anemic and like they had something wrong with them. The Chevy dealer was bragging that their new Dribble Max put out over 600 ft. lbs. of torque, and asked what I'd think about driving something like that. (wrong question) I told him that I'd likely be unimpressed when I drove something with about 40% less torque than "the old Dodge" he pointed to that I'd driven onto the lot.

That is the dealership where I made the $50 bet with them. I'd asked them if their new diesel would smoke all 4 rear tires taking off from a dead stop. They laughed at me and said "no, just like that old Dodge won't". The bet was made and I picked up almost enough money to cover the rubber I burnt off my rear tires.

However, in stock configuration, I'd have to say that it felt pretty clear to me that the GM diesel had the best acceleration followed by the 6.7 Cummins powered Dodge and the Ford 6.4 diesel was the slowest. There again, I'm not exactly sure what amount of importance to place on drag racing diesel pickups. It kills me that I still see about 20 Toyota Tundra commercials each night with the voice over by that guy who sounds like he smokes 5 packs a day bragging about how fast the Toyota Tundra is. It may be fast, but it isn't leaving the dealership's lot all that fast. They are just as dead as any other full sized pickups or SUVs. FWIW, I've heard that it is faster than the Dodge with a 5.7 Hemi and faster than the GM 6.0 liter gas truck but slower than the Nissan Titan. But, that's only what I've heard; I haven't driven them. I think I'd be disappointed driving a gas powered 1/2 ton pickup trying to tow a 15 to 20k trailer.

The main people who care about racing diesel trucks are the kids who get to use their dad's truck. The girl who works for me a lot is terrible with anyones vehicle except her own. However, her brother evens things out as he treats her car like she treats everyone elses vehicles. So far she has only totaled one new Chevy 2500 4x4 crew cab diesel. She doesn't get to drive the replacement very often

I mainly only drive and buy Ford trucks but I have driven Dodge and GM trucks and cars as well. If I was to buy a new truck now it would most likely be another Ford just because I feel it is a better all around truck then the others but GM isn't far behind. Dodge has Cummins and that is about all I like about that truck and that is mainly because Cummins has a plant local here and employ a lot of people so I would like to support them as much as I can. But to be honest, I would be happy driving any of these trucks as long as it doesn't leave me stranded on a regular basis. My 98 F-150 has finally got to the point where I don't trust it for long distance trips so it is going to be sold as soon as I can find a decent replacement and the budget allows its purchase. Till then it is a farm truck.

But the other posters are right, these trucks all easily put out more then enough power to meet what they are designed for. Now it is all about marketing and bragging rights. Even in this post a lot of guys talk about pulling 7500 pounds with their big diesel pickups. 7500 pounds is nothing for these trucks to pull and can be easily pulled with the gas motor option. Heck, I pull over 7500 pounds with my F-150 on a regular basis and it has the 4.6L V8. The F-250 with 5.4 V8 handles the weight a lot better and the extra power helps with hills but on flat ground it isn't that noticeable. The F-250 with the 6.0 toys with 5 tons but when I bought it I had plans (and still do) to buy a 30' gooseneck for hauling hay so I needed something to pull the trailer where ever I might end up. I don't need a diesel for my normal every day pulling though as the gas motors have more then enough power to pull 5 ton even in our hills.

gemini5362 · Aug 11, 2008

Iron Horse said:
Now all you guys have to do is convince Cummins to build an all Alloy version with cast iron liners and you would have the perfect engine .

This photo will remove all doubt about what makes torque . Horsepower works on the track , Torque works on the street .

Nice picture what particular duramax engine did that come out of because the 2006 and later duramax had some changes in that area. Also isnt a cummings a 6 cylinder engine. Would a v8 not be able to get by with smaller connectiong rods ?