Av8r3400
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You gonna put that q-tip where and see if it comes out red?!? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Ford F250 Diesel Crewcab
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The 6.0 is far from being completely fixed. In fact Ford is scrapping the 6.0 and going to a new 6.4 engine twin turbo. The biggest issues right now are the injectors, head bolts and puking coolant. If you use the pickup like a car and don't pull much the motor will hold up. But if you are going to be doing heavy towing they are having problems with the heads and injectors. I have had problems with three trucks now. The latest one Ford is now trying to blame my fuel for the problem and denying warranty. Big mess but anyway I went to a Dodge.
Now as far as the dodge the ford has nothing on this new one towing at all. EXCEPT the transmission on the Ford is hands down much much nicer. You don't have the engine braking with the Dodge and it's only a 4 speed where the Ford is a 5 speed. Motor wise it's quieter than the Ford and the engine compartment is very clean. On the Ford it's a mess and VERY hard to work on. Sheet metal goes to Ford. The Dodge is very soft in the metal where the Ford is much thicker. I would give the ride, steering, and braking to the Dodge. I do like the Ford frame better. I'm not a big fan of hydroformed tubular frames. In fact on the Dodge they are not rated for campers and also they are not rated to put heavy utility boxes on. There have been several frame issues with the utility boxes. I'm a little concerned because we haul some very heavy loads.
Overall I like the Dodge. I will stay away from Ford for awhile and maybe for a long time. The 6.0 is not bulletproof. The cummins is. As far as overhaul though we always have gotten at least 500k before an overhaul on the Fords, 7.3's anyway. Haven't been able to keep a 6.0 going long enough to get alot of miles on it. Dodge always goes that or more. The key on either one is maintenance. Fuel, air, and oil filters. Oil every 4-5k depending on conditions, air every 10-15k depending on conditions and fuel every other oil change. I know it exceeds mfg. recommendations but trust me you want to keep the contaminants out.
If you're hauling heavy though I wouldn't buy the Ford. Way too many problems.
Now as far as the dodge the ford has nothing on this new one towing at all. EXCEPT the transmission on the Ford is hands down much much nicer. You don't have the engine braking with the Dodge and it's only a 4 speed where the Ford is a 5 speed. Motor wise it's quieter than the Ford and the engine compartment is very clean. On the Ford it's a mess and VERY hard to work on. Sheet metal goes to Ford. The Dodge is very soft in the metal where the Ford is much thicker. I would give the ride, steering, and braking to the Dodge. I do like the Ford frame better. I'm not a big fan of hydroformed tubular frames. In fact on the Dodge they are not rated for campers and also they are not rated to put heavy utility boxes on. There have been several frame issues with the utility boxes. I'm a little concerned because we haul some very heavy loads.
Overall I like the Dodge. I will stay away from Ford for awhile and maybe for a long time. The 6.0 is not bulletproof. The cummins is. As far as overhaul though we always have gotten at least 500k before an overhaul on the Fords, 7.3's anyway. Haven't been able to keep a 6.0 going long enough to get alot of miles on it. Dodge always goes that or more. The key on either one is maintenance. Fuel, air, and oil filters. Oil every 4-5k depending on conditions, air every 10-15k depending on conditions and fuel every other oil change. I know it exceeds mfg. recommendations but trust me you want to keep the contaminants out.
If you're hauling heavy though I wouldn't buy the Ford. Way too many problems.
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Wow, I'm in shock /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Who are you and what have you done with Richard? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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Well I was a little shocked myself Jim. But Ford is shooting themselves in the foot over this one. They left me hanging on this one. And after getting stranded on the road four times 500 or more miles away from home enough was enough. Even if they get it fixed I won't take a chance on it again. It's one thing to have problems but it's another when you know you have problems, you know it's your fault, and then because you're losing money you blame the customer. It's not an isolated incidence. Since this happened I've talked to alot of people and Ford is doing this alot. How they think they're going to screw people on a $50k truck and keep customers is beyond me. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
One other tidbit. Ford doesn't own any part of cummins. A long time ago they owned stock in it but not anymore. If you buy a 650 or above you can get the cummins in a ford. You can also get the allison automatic. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Now that's a combination. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
One other tidbit. Ford doesn't own any part of cummins. A long time ago they owned stock in it but not anymore. If you buy a 650 or above you can get the cummins in a ford. You can also get the allison automatic. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Now that's a combination. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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Egon
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Forget the weight issue. Concentrate on the cost of different fuels. That's what the stops are for.
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while I don't own one myself I have been arounfd the a goo bit, for rife I like the fords hands down, treated HARd & abused they usually last ~250K with proper care & ave use they last 350~400K dodges with cummins last a bit longer but also ride worse. boss's 04dually turbo dodge is nice driving & riding when you have 2K lbs in back other wise it is a bit harse. as for the chevies when the duramax & allison came out a ford guy bought 4 for his fleet he has none of them now... 3 of the 4 lost trans and or blew engines prior to 50K no one wante to drive them and would fight over the left over 305K mile fords in this fleet... he runs a commercial hotfoot outfit on top of a fleet of long haul 18 wheelers. no one is assigned the hotfoot setups and are a get which ever one is ready to go type of thing. the chevies are now gone & replaced with new fords. other gent friend runs commercial towing operation he rebuilds ihs fords at 350K but also states that if you don't maintain them you will only get 250 at most and if you run incorrect antifreeze in them you will be lucky to get 75K as there is/was a problem with the alum block to liner slieve problems? not sure anylonger if this is the case with the new powerstrokes or not??? anyone know. also note my info is about A YEAR out of date since I changed jobs...
also note we had 3 dually chevys with 454's in them prior to the dodge gas ones which didn't last 35K prior to requiring major front end work, engine seals blowing or repeated axel problems... also they rode like buck bords being pulled by a mule & a bucking bronko for a team! could only ride in one for 30 min prior to egtting major back pain & having a headach & wiplash! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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also note we had 3 dually chevys with 454's in them prior to the dodge gas ones which didn't last 35K prior to requiring major front end work, engine seals blowing or repeated axel problems... also they rode like buck bords being pulled by a mule & a bucking bronko for a team! could only ride in one for 30 min prior to egtting major back pain & having a headach & wiplash! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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tracdoc
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Other than the emblems on the fender and the rear springs there is NO DIFFERENCE between a single rear wheel F350 and a F250. Same brakes, same frame, same axles, same powertrain.
An F250 can be thought of as a F350 with the lightest rear spring option. As a matter of fact, you can order a F350 with certain options and end up with a truck that is identical to an F250 down to the last nut and bolt, excluding the emblems.
Jay )</font>
Hmmm.... I'm confused. I was under the impression that the 250's have a semi-floating rear axle, while the 350's have a full-floating rear axle.
An F250 can be thought of as a F350 with the lightest rear spring option. As a matter of fact, you can order a F350 with certain options and end up with a truck that is identical to an F250 down to the last nut and bolt, excluding the emblems.
Jay )</font>
Hmmm.... I'm confused. I was under the impression that the 250's have a semi-floating rear axle, while the 350's have a full-floating rear axle.
Av8r3400
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Light duty 3/4 ton = semi-floating (basically a 1/2 ton) rear end
Heavy duty 3/4 ton = full-floating rear end
Diesels allways get the heavy duty chassis. Gas motors go both ways.
Heavy duty 3/4 ton = full-floating rear end
Diesels allways get the heavy duty chassis. Gas motors go both ways.
JD4610
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Right, you might be thinking of the old light-duty F250 that was based on the F150. I'm not sure what Ford was thinking on that one. It wasn't really "Heavy-Duty" and the coming of the Super-Duty pretty much killed it off.
Jay
Jay
