Ford Rant

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DieselPower said:
Look at it this way. If your biggest complaint about the truck is the location of a single switch and light bulb your ahead of the game. I don't think I have ever owned a vehicle, come to think of it I don't think I have ever owned anything that I only had one little complaint about. It's usually major problems that seem to never go away. I wish my only problem was a switch location. :D

Agree 100%.

If thats the biggest complaint, then Ford has done very well. Just be thankful the switches still work. Im not a fan of switches either. I like to reach down and pull the lever into 4X4. Too many house wives are intimidated by the lever so most everything now has the less intimidating switch or button.
The hard steering in 4X4 is not a Ford thing, its a 4X4 thing. I know some people will disagree and say,"my chevy, toyota, dodge, whatever, doesnt do that" if you have a part time 4X4 system in your truck, it will scrub and jerk on hard surfaces, thats just physics.
 
   / Ford Rant #22  
I posted to this thread earlier but deleted it. Went back and reread the thread.

Anyway, if by chance you got it by way of email, disregard.
 
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#23  
cp1969 said:
Not picking on you, but think about it: You admit "love" for your previous Japanese vehicles, but even though the Ford has been "flawless" and "done all the things you wanted it to do and done them well", you still cannot "love" that vehicle.

Why is that? Are the Japanese vehicles somehow beyond flawless? Was every switch and placed perfectly, and nothing whatsoever needed a repair?
Excellent points. But surely you know that 'love' is a fickle thing.:D

First of all, my first three Japanese vehicles were very nearly flawless. The only mechanical failures, and there was one major one, was totally, 100% my fault. (Read : abuse) I won't go into that, suffice it to say that I used to play and play hard in some of these.

But that still doesn't account for the 'love' factor. I think it has a lot more to do with small than anything else. But 'tight' is another word I'd use for these Jap trucks. Everything is tight, from the steering to the handling to the ride to shifting to the fit and finish. I hate being 'protected' from the feel of driving. I want feedback from the road/earth. And then there is the tough factor. My gosh these little trucks were tough....I say were because my last one was a '96. And it has to do with enjoying driving. I used to enjoy driving those vehicles. My Ford is a great truck. I'll remember it as a good tool, but not fun. Not a joy to drive.

You also admit to "expecting the worst" when going in. With that, it is no surprise that you found something not to your liking, is it?

Well, the last vehicle I has before getting my first Jap truck was a 1976 AMC Jeep Cherokee that my Dad bought new in 1976. As a young man I loved it because it was mine and it was a truck. Outside of that it may have been the worst vehicle ever made. Every window knob fell off/broke (you've seen it, vice grips in place of window roller upper). Every window fell off its tracks, including the back window. Kept a pair of forceps handy to fish them up out of the door. Windshield leaked from day one. It ate u-joints and water pumps monthly. The headliner fell out. Radio died almost instantly. Card board glove box last how long? That truck left me stranded in more strange places than I car to remember.

And it was the '70's so I saw similar problems in all my friend's and parent's cars.

Then I finally got a red Nissan King Cab 4x4 and I'd never seen or felt anything like it. Love at first drive. At that moment I made my wife swear to hit me in the head with a bat if I ever tried to buy another American vehicle.

My point is that the American automakers generated a lot of ill will in the 70's and early 80's. A lot. After that sort of experience why would I not have low expectations? Yes a lot of time had gone by but the Japs are still here with great stuff. I finally bought American because they had what I needed and the Japs did not. Chalk one up for USA. (If they had, I'd be driving a Nissan Titan right now....for better or worse...more on that later.)

Don't get me wrong, there is room for improvement at Ford. But that is the very nature of engineering...incremental improvements.

Well you know that does not have any bearing on what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about technology. I'm talking about common sense. The stuff the Japanese understood in the 1980's and that took the Americans 10 years to figure out. The Japanese did not bring any technological breakthroughs to this continent in the 1970's. They brought quality and ergonomics.
 
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#24  
riptides said:
No design considerations there AT all. On numerous basics, gauges, seats, arm rests, cup holders, seat head rests... and on...and on...

So, I know what you mean.

-Mike Z.

Well, just to be fair and balanced, we have a Nissan Murano. It is a really neat vehicle. I like the power. The handling is simply remarkable for an SUV-ish vehicle. The AWD system is spectacular. It is comfortable. Very roomy. And quite remarkably the CVT transmission is still working as advertised! But the ergonomics and interior fit and finish have a lot to be deisred. Buttons, switchs, etc are poorly placed and designed. Many of them, like the wiper system are counter intuitive. The plastic feels cheap. The sun visor came loose, after warranty expired. Was told it could not be tightended and would cost over $200 to replace. My wife raised Cane and they replaced it for free. So even the great can backslide, and I've heard these complaints on a number of Nissan vehicles. I have no doubt in my mind, zero, nada, that this is entirely due to Nissan's relationship with Renault.
 
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#25  
L3650 said:
I have other "design" concerns about most things. As pointed out earlier, things are made for the 85 % of users. At 6'5" and more than 185 pounds, I always test everything and settle for what is the least uncomfortable.

I'm 6'5" (when I stand up straight) and weigh 200 pounds, so I feel you pain. I am very comfortable in my F-150. I don't even have to put the seat all the way back. But the thing is, even at my height, I fit in all those Japanese trucks just as well. So I'm not sure I buy into any excuses about vehicles being designed for 'average' builds. I know that they are, and that they have to be, but the Japs always had me well positioned without any controls, lights, gauges, buttons, knobs or levers being out of reach or out of sight.

The Kubota and John Deere people actually told me that I should buy a New Holland. If you are targeting a North American market with certain models, should that be a consideration?

I'm tall, but maybe my legs are short, but I find my Kubota L4400 very comfortable. Same with the JD 990. Maybe my expectations are low, but after 4-5 hours on the tractor the only thing that is sore is my 'clutch' knee.:D
 
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#26  
Shimon said:
I'm sure he would have complained if it was in a Toyota or BMW.

Exactly!

Hey Roy, looky here, I just found the font size key too!
 
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#27  
You guys are a blast to talk to. Seriously. The internet is a poor substitute for a bunch of guys shooting the bull around a fire or in the barn lot, but its the next best thing to being there. When I look back over a thread like this I can just hear my real life pals and aquaintances saying these same things. Some will agree with you, another will put you in your place, everyone calls BS, BS when its BS no matter who says it. Well, there's always that one guy who everyone else just winks and nods and grins about. You all know one like that..........oh shoot, don't tell me I'm that guy.......:D
 
   / Ford Rant #28  
Luckily only my low range is an electronic pushbutton - and there's no mistaking when you're in low range (redlining at 10mph is a good hint)! I liked my old 4Runner's big lever for 4WD, now it's full time so I guess that removes the issue of how to switch into it...

Toyota builds some nice trucks, I loved this video from a show on the BBC. If you like tight, try German cars - it's too bad they don't build pickups. :)
 
   / Ford Rant #29  
Have you ever considered putting manual locking hubs on the front? That way, you could leave them in free-wheel and if you accidentally bump the button, the components will not have too much trouble meshing since the tires are disconnected from the axles. Also, it will probably improve your gas mileage a bit, and save on wear on you front drive train. Just a thought.

Another thought... can you put a second switch in a different location in series with the factory switch? That seems to be the easiest way to solve the problem.
 
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#30  
RayH said:
The hard steering in 4X4 is not a Ford thing, its a 4X4 thing. I know some people will disagree and say,"my chevy, toyota, dodge, whatever, doesnt do that" if you have a part time 4X4 system in your truck, it will scrub and jerk on hard surfaces, thats just physics.

Sure, but its a matter of degree. In my other trucks, actually moreso in that old 76 Cherokee, if you weren't on pavement you did not get this feel. At all. With this Ford, no matter what surface you are on, it resists turning not only in the steering wheel, but you have to give it more gas AND wrestle with the steering wheel. It is dramatic and makes tight turns hard. I don't care if the tires are slipping and scrubbing but when you have to give it more gas to turn, that's just not all that great. That's why I've wondered if I'd broken something.
 

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