Foster kids

   / Foster kids #11  
<font color=blue>They kind of shyly asked us last night if it would be okay if they called us mommy and daddy. </font color=blue>

Wow, I'd find it hard to hold the tears back after a question like that!
 
   / Foster kids #12  
Bob,

Did you loose your composure when they asked if they could call you mom and dad? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Can you provide more specifics on the Foster program? I know it will differ by state but I'm sure the programs are similar.

Thanks for the info and a bigger thanks for helping the kids! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
Dan McCarty
 
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<font color=blue>Did you loose your composure when they asked if they could call you mom and dad? </font color=blue>

It's funny.. in the context of what was happening, like decorating their rooms, and so on, it was something we half expected. The social services people had told us we would get questions like this, and it was best, since we don't really know for sure yet what the outcome will be, to just keep such things in a low-key mode. For example, the mother is living with the daughters biological father, who, as it turns out, is a pedophile. She says she'll leave him if she gets her kids back. Social services says no way babe.. the kids don't go near that guy. Make your choice. She seems unable to do so. But who knows what might happen in the future? We told the kids that we would love it if they could live with us, and that, yes, they could call us mommy and daddy if that felt comfortable to them. We also fell back on our social services training and told them it was all up to the case manager. I'm almost certain we'll get the kids, but "almost" doesn't cut it when you're making a promise to a child.

<font color=blue>Can you provide more specifics on the Foster program? I know it will differ by state but I'm sure the programs are similar.</font color=blue>

We went through 10 weeks (once a week, 4-5 hours) of training for this.. with another group of prospective foster parents. They do criminal background checks, ask for references, have you fill out a zillion forms, have fingerprints taken, and on and on. It was tedious, to say the least. But they have to do it.. I wouldn't want it any other way.

Then, they come and do a house inspection, and let you know what needs to be changed. For example, we needed to add fire emergency exit instruction signs, and over the bathroom door, where the child could conceivable become locked in, there has to be a tool hanging which unlocks the door. Each child needs X amount of space, plus room for storing clothing, etc. Of course separate bedrooms, unless they are the same sex.

Once all of this is done, then when Child Protective Services is forced to yank a kid from his/her home, you are on the list of possible placements. It could be for a week, or forever. In our case, they knew that Viviane's children were grown and living on their own, and that she works at home, so they thought these kids would be ideal for us. We could give them lots of nurturing because there aren't any other kids.. and Viviane would be home when they left for school and when they returned. I think they also realized these are special kids, without a lot of developmental disablilties, without a lot of obvious emotional trauma, and that they would be "easy" first kids for us, relatively speaking. They may become our only kids if we adopt, or we may continue to take in kids on an emergency basis (although we would need to build an addition to the house if we did this while keeping the first kids.)

They have a basic rule of thumb.. the biological parents are given a year to clean up their act, while the kids are in foster homes. If they show any signs of getting it together, then the year is extended. If not, then the kids are up for adoption. Our case manager told us in confidence that this particular mother was unlikely to clean up her act.. they had been working with her for years. So probably we will have adoption rights if the initial foster placement works out well. They asked if we would allow the mother visitation rights, and we said of course. The case manager said the mother is likeable and a nice person, just weak.. needy.. keeps this pedophile guy in her life because she feels she can't cope without someone to lean on. She said we would like the woman, and probably feel sorry for her. Who knows how this will turn out. Maybe the mother will get her act together, and we'll just stay good friends with the kids. When you get into the foster care thing, you have to be open to whatever outcome occurs. It can be very hard, once you become attached and bond with the kids. All I can say is, we'll see what happens and pray that whatever happens is for the best of all concerned.

There is a complicated process to get through, but the social services people really work hard to help us get through it.. and they seem like good, if overworked, people.

I'll keep you posted, if you wish. If people would prefer, we could go off-list with this.. since it goes way beyond "off-topic". /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Foster kids #14  
Bob - Personally, though I've just been "lurking" on this discussion (I'm practicing... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif), I'd prefer that you continue it just the way it is. It's an "off topic" forum, after all, and I'd like to hear how things are going from time to time.

If it is decided that you go "off forum" with it, please include my e-mail address in your "newsletter".
 
   / Foster kids #15  
Bob,

Thanks for the info.

We are in the Off Topic Forum so we are safe with the conversation! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Heck, you should see some of the "discussions" we normally have in here! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Keep us updated on what happens. I'm sure others are interested. I have a 21 month old. The more I watch her and watch here watch us, the more apparent it becomes that adults really can mess up kids.... Big Time.

I have seen some children that have almost no hope of ever having a "normal" childhood much less adult hood. And they likely won't live long as an adult if they manage to make it that long. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif I have thought about adoption/foster care for years but at this point its just not workable. Maybe some where down the line it will be... Its just a shame that the kids suffer for the mistakes of the parents.....

Thanks....
Dan
 
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Mark: nice job lurking! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Dan: yeah, it's the kids who suffer. It's tough being a kid, even with the best parents in the world. Those hormones start to flow, and the school wants you to study "Comparative Civilizations in History", and all you can do is stare at the girl who's sitting in front of you.. wondering "What's wrong with me?" /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

And that's for the kid who has it good.. think how it must be for the kid who has it really bad. /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif

I'll keep the postings on this to a minimum, just when there is something worth adding. Hopefully Muhammad will advise me if he would prefer we take it elsewhere.
 
   / Foster kids #17  
Bob,

I, too, applaud your efforts on behalf of these children. Thanks also for recognizing that there is no OBVIOUS emotional trauma in evidence, but chances are it is there and will emerge in time. Each of us, child or adult, has a well of ability which can be tapped through support and structure. At the same time, overcoming adversity such as this is a process that, even in the best of circumstances, can be arduous. Please consider that the "growing pains" associated with movement toward health can manifest in various ways. With parents with whom I work, I encourage "Home, Sweet Home" to be replaced above the mantlepiece with "Consistency, Consistency, Consistency." With nurturance and structure over time, their chance for success is much improved. They will need a relationship with their biological mother, regardless of her personal progress. She will be a source of turmoil emotionally for them, nevertheless. I have dealt with very difficult cases in which at times foster parents separate siblings for one reason or another. For the sake of these kids, I would discourage this. I will spare you the gorey details.

My wife and I are adoptive parents who completed a very "open" adoption and we had the joy of being present at the birth of our daughter. The birthparents received therapy with absolutely no coersion both before and after our daughter's birth. She is our greatest joy (7 years old). I will be 54 in February; my wife is 49. We maintain contact with the birthmother who continues to struggle, but maintains reasonably healthy behaviors. In your situation "secondary gain" will be a likely motivation for the mother to maintain contact. Be forewarned that her presence is necessary to a certain extent, but will add MUCH anxiety to the process.

Both my wife and I extend best wishes for a positive outcome. Don't be shy about consulting with a psychologist for supportive psychotherapy. Social Services is well-intentioned but usually illequipped to handle some problems that can arise.

Bill
 
   / Foster kids #18  
Bob, like Mark, I've just been lurking on this thread. And I, too, think this is an appropriate forum for the topic. I admire folks who are willing to help the kids as you and your wife are doing. I know there will be a combination of a lot of hard work, some expenses, and a lot of pleasure, as well as, of course, a lot of heartache if you should have to give them up later. I think that would be the hardest part of all. I wish you (and the kids) the best of luck.
 
   / Foster kids #19  
This does hit home a bit in our house. My wife and I are having our first child this July. At 36 we weated till we were bolth settled, and and are muture enuff to raise him, or her. I know it will be hard, but we are going to do the best we can to raise him right.
 
   / Foster kids #20  
Bob - <font color=blue>nice job lurking!</font color=blue> No baiting, now... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Keep up the good work!
 

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