Foster kids

   / Foster kids #81  
<font color=blue>The thread is getting kind of long. Does this put any extra strain on Muhammad's system?</font color=blue>

<font color=green>No. Just keep it under 150 there Bob./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif</font color=green>

Um.. do you mean (1) keep the tread under 150 total posts? Or do you mean (2) don't have more than 150 foster kids at any one time? Or do you mean (3) keep my age under 150? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Your wish is my command, Muhammad.. provided I understand what the wish is. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I would guess number 1? Numbers 2 and 3 should be easy. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Is it best to start a new thread when they start to reach this size?

Bob
 
   / Foster kids #82  
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Ok... under 150 posts, please. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Foster kids #83  
Bob, What is the latest word on the kids?

We have two month until the final review on our foster daughter, then they will file the parental rights termination suit, then about 3 to 6 months before court. Unless she drags it out or relinquishes.

Best of luck with the kids and the situation. I think of it often.

Kevin
 
   / Foster kids #84  
<font color=blue>...We have two month until the final review on our foster daughter, then they will file the parental rights termination suit, then about 3 to 6 months before court. Unless she drags it out or relinquishes.</font color=blue>

I think we are still under Muhammad's 150 post limit for this thread.. but I want to be a good citizen here on TBN. Is it time to take this off-line?

In the meantime, here's one more update...

The kids have been spending weekends at their biological mom's new apartment. When they come back, they are wired and weird.. and it takes a couple days before they get back into their normal behavior.

The mom got an apartment that's within walking distance of the jail where the pedophile was locked up. Since then, he's been released.. and she went with him to SS to arrange for emergency housing for him. She still has all of his stuff stored at her own expense.

Social services strongly suspects that he spent the first night out of jail at her place. The kids were crying when we picked them up last time, but they wouldn't tell us why. They said it was a secret between them and their mom, and they couldn't tell us. The girl has begun insisting on sleeping on the floor instead of in her bed. The mother has six children, all by different fathers, and one of them is 21, going through a rough divorce, and is staying at mom's with two babies. We wonder.. is this why our girl is sleeping on the floor.. because she is becoming accustomed to it?? Arrrgggghhh!!!!

The social worker assigned to this case is about ready to find a new occupation, she is so upset by what's happening here. She will have a good talk with the mom today, and then call us and let us know the outcome. She is going to tell the mom that the other daughter doesn't stay there.. not if the kids are there. There isn't anything we can do about the pedo (her husband whom she refuses to divorce) because there is simply no evidence at this point that he's been around the kids.

My wife and I were planning a vacation at the end of the month for a couple weeks, and the plan was that the kids would stay at their mom's for this period to see if it would work out. I'll find out later if this plan is still in effect. I doubt it.

I'm ashamed to say it, but I told my wife today that I hope I don't ever meet the pedo face to face, because my first thought would be to tell him "Okay pal, why don't you try to abuse somebody your own size this time??!" I asked my boss, who spent ten years as the head of Child Protective Services, what would happen if I picked this guy up by his neck and his testicles and tossed him out a window? My boss rolled his eyes and said they'd throw the book at me. My feeling is that these kind of people should be "fixed." No more children hurt, no spraying, where's the downside?? :-/

Anyway, the mother is systematically undoing everything we've tried to teach these kids.. foremost of which is to always be honest. Now she has them agreeing to keep secrets.. they're in tears but they are keeping the secrets. Sigh.

I'm discouraged. The school system sends them home with homework suited to kindergartners, their "counselors" don't even have Masters degrees.. let alone Doctorates and Licenses. They play games with them, as they have been for four years, and hope that someday the kids will open up. We've learned more about the kids inner lives in two months than these alleged counselors have learned in four years, by their own admission, and I'm having a hard time dealing with all of this.

I know, I know... the system doesn't have any money.. there is no real "bad guy" here to blame.. which is probably what makes it so frustrating. Unless the pedo gets caught around the kids, it looks like they'll go back to this hellish environment where the mother spends *all* of her time, according to the kids, doing jigsaw puzzles, sleeping, eating, and watching a little TV. That's it. She has no car, and has no friends because she "doesn't believe in friends".. they just get information on you and throw you in.. that's what the boy told me she said. What chance do these kids have in that kind of environment? They asked us what a "food cupboard" is, and we scratched out heads... then they told us she ran out of money while they were there and had to go to this place to get free food. And she doesn't even have them full-time yet. How is she going to support them??

Sorry, guess I just needed to vent a bit. I know lots of folks here are, or were, in law enforcement, so I'm sure you all have your own similar or worse horror stories. This is my first time around in this system, and I'm getting my eyes opened but good. :-/

The sad part is the kids are so confused.. why did their mom kick them out? Why have they been placed at so many different homes? Does their mom love them? Does *anyone* love them? Are they hurting their mom by not living with her? Are they hurting us by wanting to live with their mom? These questions are just too heavy for 10-year-olds!

Sorry to blather on.. but you folks are like family now.

Bob
 
   / Foster kids #85  
Trev,

Sigh. Grrrrrr....

One of the frustrations with situations like this is that the law protects
the bad guys. Very frustrating.....

Is there a list of things the Mom has to do to get the kids back? Or to
put it another way, is there a list of things the mother has to avoid or
the kids don't come back?

You can always spend the dollars and have the place watched by
private investigators. If they can get pictures of the husband entering
or leaving the apartment while the kids are there....

If social services can't prevent this or find a way I'm not sure you
have many options. its a %^&* s^&*( situation. They have to have
some sort of guidelines on when kids(s) can be placed back into a home
as well as taken out of a home...

Glad you posted the note. This week I saw one of your posts and
was wondering about the kids.....

Good Luck and let us now what is happening.
Dan
 
   / Foster kids #86  
Hi Dan,

<font color=blue>Is there a list of things the Mom has to do to get the kids back? Or to
put it another way, is there a list of things the mother has to avoid or
the kids don't come back? </font color=blue>

There is a list of things the parent has to do to get the kids back. In this case, although we were never shown the list, we know it included that the pedo couldn't be anywhere near the kids, she had to have a seperate residence with bedrooms for the kids, she had to complete a parenting course (which people tell me is worse than a joke), and I believe she had to have at least a part-time job.

You may be right about the private investigator.. we know the guy is around, we are pretty sure she will be seeing him, we just can't prove it. My boss who ran child protective services here for 10 years says the kids will probably go back based on what he's seen. No judge would act unless there was solid evidence..

Let me bounce this idea off my wife. Thanks for the thought!

Bob
 
   / Foster kids #87  
Bob, it really sounds like you are between a rock and a hard place on this one. Sounds like Dan might have a good idea about the private investigator, but you might want to check and make sure that if you hired a PI and he did get evidence that the pedophile was around the kids, that this evidence would be allowed in the hearing. I will keep you and your family (the foster kids included) in my prayers this week/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.
 
   / Foster kids #88  
Bob,

It seems ridiculous that you can not see what is required of her. We got a copy of our birth mom's action plan concurrently with her.

On our case, they just filed the Termination of Parental Rights petition. Now we have to wait for the court date on Aug. 26, and then another 30 days for her to appeal.

So far so good for us. I'd check into the details of how much you could do in the way of a PI or other action. I know it's draining. Our thoughts are with your family.

Eric
 
   / Foster kids #89  
Bob,

I was thinking again yesterday and last night. So watch out. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

If you don't have a lawyer who has experience in these sorts of
issues it might be a danged good time to get one.... They
can tell you what you really are up against and what you can
and can't do. And what you should do or more importantly
what you should NOT do....

But a lawyer should be able to help you do what is right
for the kids.

The one thing that popped into my head was emancipation.
Yep, you heard me emancipation. In NC a 16 year old can
emancipate themselves from their parents if they can show
a means of support. I have heard of this actually happening.

Course your kids ain't 16. BUT, this gets back to the lawyer.
Your state might have something similar. The one bright
light that you can throw out to the kids is that you and
the wifey will be there for them. In the end that might
be all you CAN do for them. But that might be enough for
them as well....

Later....
Dan
 

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