Foward Reverse is backwards

   / Foward Reverse is backwards #31  
I have one neighbor who has 5 tractors; 2 being used, bigger farm tractors of course, and who says he'd never buy a 4WD, waste of money. Of course, he's never owned or used a 4WD, and a few years ago, he did pay $100 to a fellow with a 4WD Deere to come pull him out when he got stuck./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #32  
Bird - My dad's neighbor, who also see no need for 4wd, had to have one of his mid-size JDs pulled out by a wrecker a couple years ago. If Dad had found out before he got it out, I'd have gladly made the 2 hour drive to try to pull him out with the Kubota. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

He's the same one who said my L3600GST wouldn't till the soil around Dad's place. Then, the HST wouldn't because "they don't have any power". Then, it wouldn't pull the tiller after I added the scarifiers to it because it was "too small" and didn't have "gears". So it would have absolutely thrilled me to get the chance to tug his tractor out of the mud. I don't know if it would've done it or not, but it would've bothered him a lot more if it had than it would've bothered me if it hadn't. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

He's another one of those "experts without knowlege". Not to say that he's dumb - he isn't. He's got a lot of knowledge about a lot of things, because he has a lot of experience with a lot of things. But he is also the victim of a very common problem: he doesn't know what he doesn't know.
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #33  
<font color=blue>he doesn't know what he doesn't know.</font color=blue>

I think we're all in that particular boat. However, I know that I don't know what I don't know. The problem you may be describing is that he doesn't know that he doesn't know what he doesn't know?

I'm not being weird here, although it may sound a bit like it... It's just that no one can know what they don't know; it's just that some people can't quite figure that out, and I think that's what you're describing here...
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #34  
GlueGuy - <font color=blue>It's just that no one can know what they don't know; it's just that some people can't quite figure that out, and I think that's what you're describing here... </font color=blue>

The phrase "don't know what they don't know" was a pet expression of mine when I was in the corporate world. Usually, it was part of a longer statement, such as "I don't have a problem with someone not knowing something - what bothers me is when they don't know what they don't know." That perhaps makes it a little clearer that I was describing exactly what you said.

It's fine to not know something. There's lots of things I don't know and would like to, and that's one of the main reasons I'm here on TBN. But, when a person doesn't have the ability to realize, or won't admit, that he doesn't know something, all kinds of really stupid stuff happens. That's the main reason I jump in, sometimes a little too vigorously perhaps, whenever somebody says, in effect, "I've never used a thingamajigger, and only seen one once, but I sure don't think you need one or should have one." I want to say "Why, exactly? Because you don't have one, you don't want anyone else to? Is that it?" I want to say "Of course you don't know what they're good for - we knew that already - that's why you don't have one. You've got the whole thing completely backwards. There's no evidence that you don't have one because they're useless - the evidence points to the possibility that you don't have one because you don't know how useful they are. Don't you realize how stupid what you just said is? You just said you have no idea what you're talking about (you're doing fine so far...) but you've got an opinion that's just as good as everybody else's (logic train just got derailed...) and you think everybody else should act upon your completely baseless conclusions? (I'm not even going there...)" Not that I get worked up over it or anything... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

On the other hand, the TBN archives are full of excellent discussions that started with a question like "I don't have a thingamajigger but I've seen one once, and I'm wondering what they're good for. Can someone tell me?" At that point, I love to see those that have one, have used one, have seen one used a lot, or whatever, to jump in there and explain all about it to the rest of us. And I'd like to see those who don't know have the ability to know they don't know and learn along with the rest of us that don't know. Or something like that. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #35  
You know what? You're probably right/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #36  
MossRoad - Well, um, I, you know, uh, just, um, you know, uh, don't know. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #37  
Well, now I know that GlueGuy knows that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, but you never know if Mark knows what he doesn't know or if he knows what he knows as well as he thinks he knows. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #38  
Harv - Please see my most recent prior post. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

But, there's one thing I do know: I don't have a pink tractor!!! /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
   / Foward Reverse is backwards #40  
<font color=blue>I don't have a pink tractor!!!</font color=blue>

Not yet. But forces on conspiring to get you one. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I'm renting Harv some paint, he's picking up another thing or two at Bird's on the way by, then some dark and not so stormy night, an unnamed EF5 will become enhanced in the color department.
 

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