Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells...

   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #11  
That's really my point on much of the various energy debates as a whole, there is always some uncertainty. If they can't track down what's leaking where at near-surface levels, whether it is drilling operations or a holding area or what, it really makes me believe they understand a lot less of what's going on thousands of feet below that... I don't care what their studies say, the smallest of unconceived variables can throw their entire line of reasoning out the window. They're clueless.

I'm not for or against fracking, solar, wind, or anything else of the sort. I am against anyone that is either for or against it; because to be either for or against it, you either have to have some sort of agenda of your own, or are just blindly parroting those that do have an agenda. There is big money in just the promotion of the agendas (a.k.a. propaganda), generally that money comes from bad places and goes to even worse places... I don't want on either "side" of that fence, nor in the middle where folk get into all these heated debates about things they want to be facts. I'll set on the sidelines and try to wake up the spectators that have fallen asleep, because it is something we should be paying attention to before anything gets too awful...

What I am for is conservation. There is no such thing as "energy independence". That is a pipe dream some try to sell folk on. Energy must come from someplace, and some sort of change needs to occur to create said energy. There is no independent source of energy that just simply exists as energy waiting to be used. Our goals should be to use what best suits the needs from a conservation standpoint. Piping power here and there whether in pipe or in wires or in trucks on the roads is not a solution, and no one solution is going to work equally everywhere.

People who don't have a truly 'better idea' should simply SHUSH and listen until someone does have a truly better idea. Anyone can complain, it takes a unique individual to come up with a REAL plan...

A lot of what gets said and done reminds me of a Ben Franklin quote:
All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse.

He was a pretty smart fella...

I agree Sysop. Maybe the solution to the question is to add a unique marker in the fracking fluid that does not occur in nature to positively identify whether fracking fluid is making its way back to the surface. Glaciologist use a marker to track water flow through glaciers. Maybe this would work for fracking to determine the migration of the fluid after application.

Old Ben got it right far more than he got it wrong. I personally am glad the turkey did not become the national bird.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #12  
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #13  
Read it closely, no proof here, again. At this point I think green militants are so desperate they are capable of contaminating a well to make their case. HS

Have seen this exact thing happen. Pretty bad when you have to lock a monitoring well that is used to pull samples of ground water to monitor impoundments.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #14  
When the title starts with "most likely" or "likely" or "could" "maybe" you know there are no facts to back it up.

Fracking takes place and 5000ft or more below the surface. Ground water is within the first 1000' or less. The material used in fracking is the mostly the same water and material pulled from the wells to begin with. The fluid is not manufactured and shipped to the site it is mixed onsite and re-injected into the well under pressure.

Maybe someday hard facts will be know and then decisions can be made.

Not the case in the NE shales. In fact they come right to the surface in NY and Quebec.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #15  
Not the case in the NE shales. In fact they come right to the surface in NY and Quebec.

Then they most likely would have no recoverable gas in them. The geologic age would not be correct, I'm assuming since I'm not a geologist.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #16  
No doubt drilling can contaminate the ground water. Go get a drink in Odessa/Midland if you think I'm wrong. I had a rent house in OK that has enough natural gas coming up the water well that you could hold a flame at the kitchen faucet.

This is serious business. We have a situation where I live in NW Nebraska. Oil companies from WY and CO want to dump fracing fluid here in Nebraska. There is good reason that they are willing to truck this waste hundreds of miles to get rid of it out of state. Nobody want's this crap.

Western Nebraska Fracking Disposal Site Under Scrutiny
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #17  
No one much cares on the fracking side, polluted wells, polluted groundwater- those are the costs of business. Money is money. That comes first. Taking care of the environment means having a nice lawn. Beyond that- it's not a problem.
Meanwhile, fracking goes on. That's the idea.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #18  
When fracking fluids show up in breast milk, I'm gonna be upset...
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #19  
At the end of the article is says the well was improperly sealed. Don't taint the whole industry by one screwup.
 
   / Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells... #20  
Not the case in the NE shales. In fact they come right to the surface in NY and Quebec.

NY doesn't allow fracturing, doubt if it has happened there......
 

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