Fracking fluids found in 3 PA water wells...

[williaty]

What is an amish doing on the internet? I have to assume from your posts you don't own vehicles, you don't have a tractor, you don't use anything with gas / oil / hydraulic fluids, you don't use anything made of plastic, you heat your house entirely with wood products, you are off grid, etc......

Amazingly enough, I actually do practice what I preach. I have a fuel efficient car that I don't use unless I absolutely have to. I'd have an all-electric car in a heartbeat if I could afford it, but we're not rich. We have solar electric generation. We use a lot of different strategies to drastically reduce the amount of energy required to heat and cool the house. We've switched to higher-than-average efficiency LED lights and only use the one we're sitting under at the time. We don't waste water on the lawn or washing the cars all the time. We do fell, buck, and split our own firewood. We don't buy a disposable plastic item when a durable item or one made out of an easily renewable resource. The thing I think would amaze you, given your responses, is how little this affects our lives in any way and yet how much it reduces our net consumption. It's basically no trouble at all for us yet we spend a lot less on energy. Big financial savings too because our bills are smaller.

These big bad evil companies are the reason most of the world have jobs and can enjoy life.

Small and midsize companies are good for most people as they provide jobs and economic stimulus. Giant corporations are parasites on humanity and the harm they do to our country is in no way offset by the fact they happen to employ a lot of people. We'd all be doing a lot better if everyone that Citibank, Dow, ExxonMobil, etc had a job at a legion of smaller companies.

 

[k0ua]

I work for one of those "evil parasites" that paycheck is fairly handy at times. . To make broad statements about corporations like you did, makes me think you are a Communist. Are you a Communist?

 

[williaty]

I work for one of those "evil parasites" that paycheck is fairly handy at times. . To make broad statements about corporations like you did, makes me think you are a Communist. Are you a Communist?

No, Communists are just as big of fools as Capitalists. Socialists too, for that matter. Every one of them have a few ideas that sound great in theory but work out pretty damned poorly in practice. "Pure" economic systems of any sort always cause bad results.

I just believe scale matters. Things that can be incredibly good at a small scale can become incredibly bad at a large scale. I'm a small business owner, started it myself, work it myself, and believe profit is a great motivator for small business and ingenuity. It all goes to **** once the business grows to about the point that the guy in charge doesn't know the names of every single employee's kids.

 

[Citydude]

No, Communists are just as big of fools as Capitalists. Socialists too, for that matter. Every one of them have a few ideas that sound great in theory but work out pretty damned poorly in practice. "Pure" economic systems of any sort always cause bad results. I just believe scale matters. Things that can be incredibly good at a small scale can become incredibly bad at a large scale. I'm a small business owner, started it myself, work it myself, and believe profit is a great motivator for small business and ingenuity. It all goes to **** once the business grows to about the point that the guy in charge doesn't know the names of every single employee's kids.

And so we enter, the twilight zone....

 

[Steppenwolfe]

When the title starts with "most likely" or "likely" or "could" "maybe" you know there are no facts to back it up.

Fracking takes place and 5000ft or more below the surface. Ground water is within the first 1000' or less. The material used in fracking is the mostly the same water and material pulled from the wells to begin with. The fluid is not manufactured and shipped to the site it is mixed onsite and re-injected into the well under pressure.

Maybe someday hard facts will be know and then decisions can be made.

Seriously??? You probably bought Bush's WOMD's story, too.

 

[moriboy]

OT, but this thread got me thinking:

Complaining about big business while posting to a forum using their smart gadget and transmitting the data thru the air, cmon I'm confused???

Cars kill thousands every year. The "thought" of a nuclear disaster has crushed that industry. What if there is never an accident?? Could nuclear power solve the worlds energy problem?

Meanwhile, while typing this several families just got notified that their loved ones just died in a car crash....

 

[williaty]

The people who get their panties in a twist over nuclear power annoy the crap out of me. Nuclear kills the fewest people per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. It causes the least pollution per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. Want to protect the environment? Support nuclear power! It annoys me to no end that the tree huggers are so opposed to the one source of power that's closer to their goals than any other. And that's coming from someone I think most of you guys would consider a tree hugger type!

 

[k0ua]

The people who get their panties in a twist over nuclear power annoy the crap out of me. Nuclear kills the fewest people per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. It causes the least pollution per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. Want to protect the environment? Support nuclear power! It annoys me to no end that the tree huggers are so opposed to the one source of power that's closer to their goals than any other. And that's coming from someone I think most of you guys would consider a tree hugger type!

I have never understood that myself.. And I am on the other side of the political spectrum.

 

[dave1949]

The people who get their panties in a twist over nuclear power annoy the crap out of me. Nuclear kills the fewest people per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. It causes the least pollution per megawatt-hour generated of any technology. Want to protect the environment? Support nuclear power! It annoys me to no end that the tree huggers are so opposed to the one source of power that's closer to their goals than any other. And that's coming from someone I think most of you guys would consider a tree hugger type!

I think there are two things at work here. One, do people think nuclear power is generally safe as a concept? Most probably do. Two, do people trust the political process for siting a plant, the planning, build execution, and operating successfully and safely? This is where my personal doubts begin to creep in. I simply don't trust a politicized corporate America to get it right and there isn't much room for getting it wrong. Time and again we see bottom line-driven poor decisions being made. Maybe the difference amounts to $0.005 per kWh but they will screw it up for that half a penny.

 

[williaty]

I think there are two things at work here. One, do people think nuclear power is generally safe as a concept? Most probably do. Two, do people trust the political process for siting a plant, the planning, build execution, and operating successfully and safely? This is where my personal doubts begin to creep in. I simply don't trust a politicized corporate America to get it right and there isn't much room for getting it wrong. Time and again we see bottom line-driven poor decisions being made. Maybe the difference amounts to $0.005 per kWh but they will screw it up for that half a penny.

The same thing applies to every other source of power though. Coal, oil, NG, solar, wind, geothermal, everything. Even factoring in corporate greed and bureaucratic incompetence, nuclear is still far, far safer than any other source. If you want to blow your mind, that safety record is with plants designed, and in many cases constructed, in the '60s and '70s. The modern designs are FAR safer than the old designs, blowing really dangerous stuff like coal plants right out of the water!