Fuel Caddy?

[joeyd]

The lifting eyes are for when it is empty, not full. These bullets are from a Better Built tank from Northern Tools.

•Fully welded, 11-gauge mounting brackets hold the unit securely in place
•Sturdy 5/16in. lifting eyes for installation when tank is empty
•100% pressure and submersion tested
•Not intended for use with gasoline or other flammable fuels

 

[Argonne]

The lifting eyes are for when it is empty, not full. These bullets are from a Better Built tank from Northern Tools.

•Fully welded, 11-gauge mounting brackets hold the unit securely in place
•Sturdy 5/16in. lifting eyes for installation when tank is empty
•100% pressure and submersion tested
•Not intended for use with gasoline or other flammable fuels

Yea, I was afraid of that. Guess it would need a lifting frame welded by someone with more skill than me.

 

[bcp]

•Not intended for use with gasoline or other flammable fuels

Interesting warning on a fuel tank.

Bruce

 

[newbury]

Interesting warning on a fuel tank.

Bruce

Big difference between gasoline (flash point < 73 deg F) and diesel (Flash point > 100 deg F) which is combustible but not rated flammable.

Flammable liquids have a flash point of less than 100°F. Liquids with lower flash points ignite easier. Combustible liquids have a flashpoint at or above 100°F. The vapor burns, not the liquid itself

 

[powerscol]

Yea, I was afraid of that. Guess it would need a lifting frame welded by someone with more skill than me.

Consider getting a HD pallet to fit under it Results for 'plastic pallets' . Some of the plastic ones come in sizes that might fit. The just tie down the take to one and possibly add casters to roll it around

 

[cold1313]

I called around to the local co-ops and I might get a 300 gal tank, and keep 150 - 200 gallons in it. Get a few filters on it to get the junk and water out. My Kubota dealer sells Stanadyne and I've run that, but if there is a better additive to use, I'm open to it. I'm more concerned with fuel being on hand for over 1 year and over a winter or two.

My Kubota dealer didn't push the additive but did push to try and only run the summer blend of diesel. Not the winter. I guess if I got a large tank, I would fill in the summer and then use additives to protect it for the cold temps in Northern Ohio. I had a -45* wind chill the last 2 winters, but that was almost a record.

Any recommendations? Or is diesel and Stanadyne or additive XYZ better?

Just have to convince the wife that this is the money saving (easier for me) route first!

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Wind chill does NOT affect your fuel, air temp does...

My pump builder is AGAINST using additives, he says he see's more bad than good from using it, BUT he told me, "if you just HAVE to use it, use Stanadyne "!

SR

 

[cold1313]

Correct on the wind chill comment. I was just referencing that temp because I couldn't remember the actual air temp. Northern Ohio doesn't normally get that cold, but still worth mentioning I thought.

Glad to hear some positive feedback about Stanadyne. I'm tempted to ask the co-op's what they think, but I'm sure they will say their fuel needs nothing....

 

[powerscol]

I have had good luck with Power Service products. My tractor dealer and Ford dealer say is is OK to use, especially if I need to prevent jelling. The 911 has saved my butt a few times over the years:laughing:

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Correct on the wind chill comment. I was just referencing that temp because I couldn't remember the actual air temp. Northern Ohio doesn't normally get that cold, but still worth mentioning I thought.

Glad to hear some positive feedback about Stanadyne. I'm tempted to ask the co-op's what they think, but I'm sure they will say their fuel needs nothing....

It probably doesn't need anything, I don't use any additives in any of the diesel I buy, nor does my family or neighbors... None of us are having fuel problems...

SR

 

[CurlyDave]

... Right now I use 5 gallon jugs and I'm getting tired of that, small spills, heavy jugs, junk in the fuel/jugs etc. Plus I like the idea of the fuel going through another filter...

This doesn't do much about the filter, but I eliminated the heavy jugs, small spills, etc by just buying one more 5 gal can. When I go to get fuel, I only get the last one filled half way. 2-1/2 gal is a lot lighter and easier to handle the can. Then I put the empty can on the ground and pour half of a full one into it. Much better position for lifting, pouring, etc.

The cost and work of a fuel caddy is really high compared to the benefits of just filling one can half way.

And, I don't have to worry about how long I can store a large quantity. Essentially, if I have to worry about how long the fuel will take to use up, I bought too much.

 

[PILOON]

My favorite is a 2.5 gal that looks like a standard 5 gal cut down.
I can hold it at arms length and pour plus 2.5 gal is just about a tank full.

I always use a fine mesh water filter also use an additive as I have had my share of sputtering back to the shop.

 

[cold1313]

Well Christmas came early and boy was I surprised! My wife bought got me a new 300 gal diesel tank. It has 4 bungs that are sealed with knock outs on it.

I'm guessing I need some sort of fitting so that the local co-op can fill the tank?
Then I have to get a pump (electric)....not sure what to get that is good but doesn't break the bank. (My tanks are 8 and 12 gallons, so slow is preferred)
I'm also guessing I'll need some sort of pipe fittings to connect the pump
I'd like great filtration and water separation...need to figure out how to do that
I've been adding Stanadyne to my 5 gallon jugs but that product does not eliminate water....should I switch or not worry if I have a water separator? (But then wouldn't water in the tank cause algae?)

I'm guessing I should wait until Spring before I have them add the fuel, that way I get a summer blend (It's what my Kubota dealer said to try and keep running through the tractors)

 

[powerscol]

Well Christmas came early and boy was I surprised! My wife bought got me a new 300 gal diesel tank. It has 4 bungs that are sealed with knock outs on it.

I'm guessing I need some sort of fitting so that the local co-op can fill the tank?
Then I have to get a pump (electric)....not sure what to get that is good but doesn't break the bank. (My tanks are 8 and 12 gallons, so slow is preferred)
I'm also guessing I'll need some sort of pipe fittings to connect the pump
I'd like great filtration and water separation...need to figure out how to do that
I've been adding Stanadyne to my 5 gallon jugs but that product does not eliminate water....should I switch or not worry if I have a water separator? (But then wouldn't water in the tank cause algae?)

I'm guessing I should wait until Spring before I have them add the fuel, that way I get a summer blend (It's what my Kubota dealer said to try and keep running through the tractors)

Take a look at the 8 GPM pump and fittings I used in my set up. Hope this helps http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...l-station-build-55-a.html?highlight=powerscol
Post # 5 listed my sources. I also used Amazon.com for the stainless steel fittings.

 

[cold1313]

Thanks! I'll have to check out the pump. Does it have auto shut off? I'm worried about fuel spilling out, so I don't know how well these pumps shut off (or what triggers them to stop.

I'm considering a dual filter setup - or is that not required? If I fill this tank (likely only put 200-250 gal to start) - It will last me a few years I think.

 

[RjCorazza]

Thanks! I'll have to check out the pump. Does it have auto shut off? I'm worried about fuel spilling out, so I don't know how well these pumps shut off (or what triggers them to stop.

I'm considering a dual filter setup - or is that not required? If I fill this tank (likely only put 200-250 gal to start) - It will last me a few years I think.

The nozzle shuts off the fuel flow on my setup, while the pump continues to run. I over filled my tractor once with a manual pump and nozzle, and immediately bit the bullet for an auto shutoff nozzle and fill rite electric pump. For filters, for years I used a dual filter setup - water separator then 10u filter. Now I use one 10u filter with water block media. For catastrophic water contamination the water block media immediately stops the flow, and for smaller amounts of water contamination you can hear the restricted flow of the filter.

 

[cold1313]

I like the idea of the autoshut off, but I'm wondering if I need it. My B3200 is up high and only 8 gallons, so I'll be filling that slow. My F3990 is low and holds a lot more.

Either way, I'll be getting a low gpm Fillrite, I just need to decide whether to spend the extra money on the auto shut off.

I'd venture to guess a dual setup will catch more water (maybe) but at the very least, having a filter before a water separator should extend the life of the water separator, by avoiding the extra debris. I also like the idea of a clear canister, so I can see everything.


Right now I'm debating between storing the tank outside vs inside my barn (unheated, gravel floor). I like the idea of having it inside, to keep it out of the weather. Downside is obviously the space issue. It doesn't take up a ton of room, but it's still room that I won't have to use.

 

[RjCorazza]

An auto shutoff nozzle is only about $50. I highly recommend them.
My tank lives in the bed of my truck, so having 2 filters was a bit much space and appearance wise. For a stationary tank I would have the water separator and a 2u filter that the diesel truck guys add. Cat sells them, but they are really large. I have one on my diesel zero turn, and plan on installing one on the tractor.
Enjoy your tank. Anything is better than handling cans! (IMHO).

 

[cold1313]

An auto shutoff nozzle is only about $50. I highly recommend them.
My tank lives in the bed of my truck, so having 2 filters was a bit much space and appearance wise. For a stationary tank I would have the water separator and a 2u filter that the diesel truck guys add. Cat sells them, but they are really large. I have one on my diesel zero turn, and plan on installing one on the tractor.
Enjoy your tank. Anything is better than handling cans! (IMHO).

Still looking around for filters....Any link to the Cat one? I'm guessing it's big $ since it has Cat on it? I've read about people recommending a Goldenrod water separator.

 

[RjCorazza]

The cat filter I like is a Caterpillar 1R-0750. For engine use I mounted it with a Napa 4770 head, but the head has 1/2" npt thread which would not be very convenient for a transfer tank. I would imagine there is a mount somewhere with 3/4 threads. I got the head and filter on eBay for around $48. The cat filter may fit on Goldenrod spin on bases, but I'm not sure.
When I had dual filters on my transfer tank the first one was the Goldenrod water separator you mentioned. Nice filter, and the element can be water absorbing, or plain. The Goldenrod spin on water block filters are more expensive, but very convenient.