bigshovel
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3.99 diesel today
Fuel prices in your area? -Feb. '08
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It's all but over boys. The sky's fall'in we've all see it. Possum, rice & wild mustard for all who can survive. Back up, the soup line's form in the rear. WPA programs start up 2009..........
M.H.
It's all but over boys. The sky's fall'in we've all see it. Possum, rice & wild mustard for all who can survive. Back up, the soup line's form in the rear. WPA programs start up 2009..........
M.H.
In central NH, was shocked a week ago to find petro diesel @ 3.799, B10 @ 3.849....
I agree that the US pays too little compared with the rest of the industrialized world, in fact we've had it easy for too long- hence, the proliferation of SUVs and the attitudes of many of their drivers who feel that if they can afford it, it's their right to drive 7 to 18 mpg vehicles. (This does not include those who MUST have trucks for their business, but rather those who commute on roads with their Esplanades, Suburbans, etc....)
I can't help but wonder, however, how much government influence there might be in diesel prices being so high above gasoline-- doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. Not that we've seen the current administration distort facts or anything, but does anyone else sense quite a push toward ethanol, and relative abandonment of leading-edge diesel/biofuel technology?
I agree that the US pays too little compared with the rest of the industrialized world, in fact we've had it easy for too long- hence, the proliferation of SUVs and the attitudes of many of their drivers who feel that if they can afford it, it's their right to drive 7 to 18 mpg vehicles. (This does not include those who MUST have trucks for their business, but rather those who commute on roads with their Esplanades, Suburbans, etc....)
I can't help but wonder, however, how much government influence there might be in diesel prices being so high above gasoline-- doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. Not that we've seen the current administration distort facts or anything, but does anyone else sense quite a push toward ethanol, and relative abandonment of leading-edge diesel/biofuel technology?
MikePA
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What's virtuous about paying more for fuel?irvingj said:
What's 'right' about the governments in the rest of the industrialized world adding huge taxes to the cost of fuel?
Who will determine who 'MUST have trucks for their business' and who will not have the right to drive a truck or SUV?
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Agreed Rob, the independent trucker are the ones being squeezed the most. There is going to be real pain to come. I wish the FED would just leave the rate alone, and allow the market system to balance itself out, and stablize.
The FED seems to be very worried about the housing crisis, and baby boomers retirement investments. Baby boomers don't retire, and keep working, that job slot is then unavailable to a much younger worker entering the job force.
A friend of mine bought one of those 4WD Chevy Silverado's with the V8 Isuzuu turbo diesel engines. It has huge torque and great power, he states almost too much. He was hoping for mileage in the low to mid 20's, but it is only delivering about 17-18mpg. It cost him about $45K, and is mostly parked. He thinks it's only worth about $25K now also, because people just don't want to go out on a limb now and make such a purchase, just to have a truck. He said Chevy/Isuzu could have offered a V6 turbo diesel for guys like him whom only do heavy hauling on occasion.
The FED seems to be very worried about the housing crisis, and baby boomers retirement investments. Baby boomers don't retire, and keep working, that job slot is then unavailable to a much younger worker entering the job force.
A friend of mine bought one of those 4WD Chevy Silverado's with the V8 Isuzuu turbo diesel engines. It has huge torque and great power, he states almost too much. He was hoping for mileage in the low to mid 20's, but it is only delivering about 17-18mpg. It cost him about $45K, and is mostly parked. He thinks it's only worth about $25K now also, because people just don't want to go out on a limb now and make such a purchase, just to have a truck. He said Chevy/Isuzu could have offered a V6 turbo diesel for guys like him whom only do heavy hauling on occasion.
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IH3444 said:
It's not about lifestyle change. The prices today are what they are. Whether driven by supply and demand, taxation, speculation (read commodity traders getting rich), or just plain meanness, they are still the price they are and some people don't get it. It's about individual fiscal responsibility. No matter what the government does, or some oil rich camel jockey, if I know what the prices are and I am intelligent enough to identify some general parameters about my own financial situation, I shouldn't starve, have anything repossessed or have to sell an organ.
It's simple. Don't try to live beyond your means. If people can afford a $40k diesel truck, but can't afford the fuel and insurance, then they are stupid if they buy or bought it.
If people can afford a $250k houses at 3% interest, but don't know what to do when their 5 year ARM goes to 8.5%, either don't buy it or hit the road. I will feel bad for them, but it's not the government's place or MY tax dollars' place to bail these people out.
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Saw it last night at a Shell station in town.
Diesel $4.099.
Diesel $4.099.
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MikePA --- I think we can agree that the ethanol "push" is not likely a prudent and economically justifiable endeavor...
It is very frustrating to watch politicians and industry "booster's" get behind a major policy decision (lot's and lot's of taxpayer's dollars...) without a reasoned, debate (congressional or administration sponsored) of the pros and cons.
Or the short shrift that the cellulosic, lignin (switchgrass, wood waste, etc.) ethanol production receives. There are many other sources of ethanol besides foodstuffs that we could and should be reviewing with due diligence!
Where is the leadership...? Where are these policy discussions with major scientific and industry participation being conducted?
Instead we have been locked into a pattern of official denial that there is an "energy" problem at all!! And our current economic situation is quite literally a "deer in the headlights" while that $110-150 barrel oil, 18-wheeler is bearing down!
Our; "Government" built the Interstate highway system and the huge network of hydroelectric dams and intertie systems throughout the entire western United States. The space program is a "government" financed and operated initiative. By and large, these efforts have provided enormous benefits to our nation.
Government has a role to oftentimes provide the necessary "critical mass" for large-scale projects that the private sector could not reasonably undertake.
Please keep your radar screen "warmed-up" for the upcoming natural gas pipeline stretching from the north coast of Alaska to the lower 48. There will be significant "Government" underwriting of the inherent risks for a project of this scale --- $35 Billion dollars and counting...
And last but not least; fuel surcharges for freight transport. What could this country do with a "fast-rail" transport system?!? How about shipping my new JD110 from the factory in Georgia to Washington State?
Where have the policy discussions been aired regarding the future of the nation's ability to transport goods and services from shore to shore in the era of $250/bbl oil?
Respectfully;
AKfish
It is very frustrating to watch politicians and industry "booster's" get behind a major policy decision (lot's and lot's of taxpayer's dollars...) without a reasoned, debate (congressional or administration sponsored) of the pros and cons.
Or the short shrift that the cellulosic, lignin (switchgrass, wood waste, etc.) ethanol production receives. There are many other sources of ethanol besides foodstuffs that we could and should be reviewing with due diligence!
Where is the leadership...? Where are these policy discussions with major scientific and industry participation being conducted?
Instead we have been locked into a pattern of official denial that there is an "energy" problem at all!! And our current economic situation is quite literally a "deer in the headlights" while that $110-150 barrel oil, 18-wheeler is bearing down!
Our; "Government" built the Interstate highway system and the huge network of hydroelectric dams and intertie systems throughout the entire western United States. The space program is a "government" financed and operated initiative. By and large, these efforts have provided enormous benefits to our nation.
Government has a role to oftentimes provide the necessary "critical mass" for large-scale projects that the private sector could not reasonably undertake.
Please keep your radar screen "warmed-up" for the upcoming natural gas pipeline stretching from the north coast of Alaska to the lower 48. There will be significant "Government" underwriting of the inherent risks for a project of this scale --- $35 Billion dollars and counting...
And last but not least; fuel surcharges for freight transport. What could this country do with a "fast-rail" transport system?!? How about shipping my new JD110 from the factory in Georgia to Washington State?
Where have the policy discussions been aired regarding the future of the nation's ability to transport goods and services from shore to shore in the era of $250/bbl oil?
Respectfully;
AKfish
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