fuel problem?

[Bob Rooks]

Since I've never worked specifically on a TY395 fuel system, perhaps "fuel line priming pump" incorrectly describes that particular $80 item. Is there a chance that's the actual lift pump component - WITH hand primer attached?

Correct. That picture includes the lift pump (which has the cam follower) AND the manual priming pump. The way the assembly is configured the manual priming pump utilizes the lift pump check valves. The principle of operation for both is the same, only the lift pump utilizes a push rod and cam follower to move the plunger.

 

[greg_g]

d i know you all might think im an idiot for doing so but when i cleaned the injectors yesterday i did take them apart and flush them out,

Well, maybe not an idiot - but certainly uninformed. There are dozens - if not hundreds - of times that members of this forum have been told NOT to do that. Even though a broken clock is still right twice a day, odds are you've now pretty much screwed the pooch. Best you can hope for is to find an area diesel shop that will even TOUCH a Chinese injector - then pray that they've got the OE specs to set the pop pressure correctly.

//greg//

 

[Bob Rooks]

I use a 12 to 14 psi electric fuel pump its an inline cheap (70$). It might cause a few leaks or drip but it will keep fuel flowing.
Those work fine for a lift pump but don't seem to last very long and are reported not reliable. Read many posts in forums about that.

Do check the oil supply in the governor if you have one. and the oil supply in the injector pump.
I have never seen a diesel engine without a governor.

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[greg_g]

Correct. That picture includes the lift pump (which has the cam follower) AND the manual priming pump.

Got it. The item is just identified incorrectly in the online catalog. Compared to the price of the whole fuel delivery assembly, I'd say $80 is still a reasonable price for the low pressure side. At $40, you got a steal.

And I also concur about that inline pump. I have one, but only use it as a fuel transfer pump (storage container to tractor fuel tank).

//greg//

 

[Bob Rooks]

Well, maybe not an idiot - but certainly uninformed. There are dozens - if not hundreds - of times that members of this forum have been told NOT to do that. Even though a broken clock is still right twice a day, odds are you've now pretty much screwed the pooch. Best you can hope for is to find an area diesel shop that will even TOUCH a Chinese injector - then pray that they've got the OE specs to set the pop pressure correctly.

//greg//

Couldn't agree more.:thumbsup:

 

[rdbigfarmboy]

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Governor built into the distrubutor - injector pump.
I cant keep up with all this.
But FIRST
electric fuel supply (lift pump) first to get your supply. Get it to run smooth consistently at some speed then go from there.

 

[jakeb47]

I agree go on down to your local Napa and buy the electric fuel pump (been a few years since I bought one it was around $50 if I remenber correctly). It will at least let you know your getting fuel to the injector pump. On the comment that they don't last long, I've had one on my skid steer for years, flip the switch and fuels flowing and she's moving. Maybe I just got a good one. I'd try all the low hanging fruit before I droped seven bills on a pump I may not need. I wouldn't worry to much that you hurt your injectors either, I've cleaned and pop tested a lot of injectors over the years. Besides as cheap as these injectors are, If I thought I had bad ones, I wouldn't even try to find a shop to do them, I'm sure the cost of new nozzles, installation and testing is higher. Good luck

 

[Bob Rooks]

I'd try all the low hanging fruit before I droped seven bills on a pump I may not need.

HUH? We're talking ~$80.00 for an OEM pump. No mods required.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Governor built into the distrubutor - injector pump.
That's going to confuse a lot of newbies. There is no distributor - just like there is no ignition switch. There is a fuel injection pump assembly (which holds the individual barrels and plungers) and there is a key switch (no ignition system on a diesel engine). It's always nice to eliminate confusion whenever possible. I apologize, but in all my years of wrenchin' & schoolin' I've never heard of a fuel injection pump referred to as a distributor.

I cant keep up with all this.

But FIRST
electric fuel supply (lift pump) first to get your supply. Get it to run smooth consistently at some speed then go from there.
There is some modifications required to install an electric fuel pump, such as cutting into the OEM steel fuel lines, installing a relay, fuse/circuit breaker, oil pressure safety switch, etc.. Not sure the OP wants to get into that right now, just trying to keep it simple.

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[Bob Rooks]

On the comment that they don't last long, I've had one on my skid steer for years, flip the switch and fuels flowing and she's moving. Maybe I just got a good one.

Skid Steer Fire - Epworth Fire Department

Happens all the time with "modified" fuel systems incorrectly installed.

I digress...

 

[jakeb47]

1.- If the hand primer pump is also the lift pump I would agree that it would be an economical place to start at the worst you would have a spare hand primer pump. Because I believe it sounds to all of us that he has a fuel delivery problem (of cource that is providing the SL3105 uses the same pump assy as the TY395, the parts people would be the answer there.

2. - yes you disgress, There is (a) nothing wrong with the installation of the electric fuel pump I installed in my Bobcat and (b)your little news blerb never meantioned fuel one way or another as a matter of fact on a dairy farm I'd be looking at the machine being caked up underneath with crap and straw, guess what it burns real good when you get enought friction going. But I disgress and I'm not going to go cherry pick a news blerb.

 

[Affordable]

There are 2-different primer pumps,the TY395 engine is different from the SL3105 the pump and line connections are reversed..Ours is $ 59.00

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
"Your Jinma Parts Superstore"
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[Bob Rooks]

There is (a) nothing wrong with the installation of the electric fuel pump I installed in my Bobcat and (b)your little news blerb never meantioned fuel one way or another as a matter of fact on a dairy farm I'd be looking at the machine being caked up underneath with crap and straw, guess what it burns real good when you get enought friction going. But I disgress and I'm not going to go cherry pick a news blerb.

The internet abounds with stories...help fire

 

[riley19d]

well all that frustration and it is finally fixed thank you everyone for the help but in the end it was ronald from ranch hand that came through he actually called me and we talked about the symptoms and we worked it together he checked fuel flow volume on a tractor he had in the shopp and then we compared, mine was the same when the engine was cold, but when it warmed up i would lose all fuel flow into the tank from the return line and just so you guys know it should be approximately 2 ounces in 30 sec from the return line into the tank, so i replaced all the fuel lines by building my own, also something that ron had me do definately saved me money i purchased all the fuel hose from a parts store and reused the banjo bolts, all you have to do is stick a punch through the banjo bolt and pull the factory line right off"you may have to make a relief cut in the crimp fitting" but most of them come off and they are a barbed fitting so they are perfectely fine to reuse, also becuse like a dumb *** i messed with my injectors, ronald is planning on adjusting them for me on his mchine so that i dont mess up my cylinders, but even with me just putting the injectors back where i marked them it runs like a top hopefully affordable will let me return the primer i wont even take it out of the box when it gets here if they will, i will just send it back. Once again thanks to everyone for your comments, but i praise ronald for his time and expert advice which led me to success! so just to save yourself some hassle if you have the ability to build your own fuel lines do it! its cheap and it will get rid of those cheap chinese lines that collapse and kill your fuel supply.

 

[Rich Waugh]

Which is precisely why I told you at the very outset to check all your fuel lines top see if they were either collapsing or shedding debris. Between the screen in the tank and the fuel lines, that accounts for 95% of all fuel delivery problems.

 

[riley19d]

i do apologize i just looked back at the first post that you gave me and yes you did say that, i should have slowed down and read it, i am just so busy at work that i dont have much time to work on the farm and i was being impatient to get it running and i didnt just slow down and try the little stuff first, but as i said, once again thanks.

 

[Bob Rooks]

I could have sworn you said that you installed new fuel lines, but I guess it was only one? :confused2::confused2::confused2:

 

[doxford jim]

The Chinese tractor dealers that conribute to this site and others, are excellent and go beyond what a lot of domestic tractor dealers do. You would be hard pressed to find a better bunch of folk to do business with.

Glad to hear that it was a simple (but hard to find) solution - that is where experience plays it's role. A lesson learned is a lesson for life as they say.

Thanks for putting the solution up for all to read.

Jim

 

[Diamondpilot]

Ronald is a great guy. For him to take the time to work it out with you over the phone just shows why he does so good in his business.

Do you run a bio-fuel mix in the tractor? This has been a long know issue with the Chinese rubber hoses.

Chris

 

[riley19d]

nope just diesel but i dont know about the past owner.