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Harv, I was thinking about using 4" x 4" x 8' PT for the 194 posts I have to put in around our new 3 acre horse pasture. I've never put a fence in before /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif but I have a 3ph post hole digger, my tractor and am ready to start. Can you offer a rookie some advice and instructions on how to do it right? Thanks.
 
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Harv,

I should have known that you would have jumped on the advantages of lasers. Like you I have a couple of builders levels that have not seen any use for a number of years. I am also becoming a laser junkie and am up to three now. They sure can be a time saver for many projects.

MarkV
 
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Morning Mike,

I'd have a couple of questions. The first would be about the overall construction plan. What kind of fence will it end up being? Are you going to have posts and wire, posts and rails etc?

The problem with pressure treated is so much of the time they use the cheaper cuts of wood. So you're starting off with more knots etc. And because of that the board you buy might not be the board you end up with. If you don't believe me drive through a fence company's yard and notice the four by fours that would serve better as modern art versus being a fence post.

A fence contractor buys the posts by the bundle and has to eat the culls. He gets a better price because first he's buying quanity and secondly because he understands he gets the good, the bad, and the ugly.

So if you're buying quanity remember there's no culling and be sure to allow for at least ten percent bad. Chances are you won't have that many bad but...........

If I was in you shoes I might try dealing with the commercial manager of a box store like Home Depot or Lowes. I'd try to get the lowest price on a quanity purchase (they will negotiate even tho they deny it) with the understanding you get to bring back and get credit for the culls.

If you're picking and choosing as you're purchasing remember that on pressure treated you're wanting the lightest posts, not the heaviest. Chances are the lightest have dried out and are in their final stage of warpage. The heavy wet ones are like a twelve year old choosing a career. No one knows what direction they're gonna take off on.

What I do with my customers on laying out a pasture is try to keep the big picture in mind. That is consider what you're wanting to have after all the adventures of building are complete. Then even if you're doing just a small part those small parts will add up to a big picture. No sense in ruining it by jumping out there and building something just to be building something.

Be aware of the property lines. In residential situations I try to have the fence line two inches on the inside of the property line. If it's on the property line the neighbor owns their side and can do whatever they want with it, plant ivy, paint it purple, etc.

But on farm and country fencing, especially if we're talking five and ten acre parcels I like to have it in a foot. That way if your neighbor brings in a cribber, horse that nervously chews on wood, you can run a hot wire and they can't say squat. Or if their horse has a personality disorder and just wants to fight with your animals you again can put up a hot wire on their side with impunity.

If there's anyway possible do your corners in either radiuses or cut them at forty fives like Ron and me were talking. If bad dogs get in the pasture they can corner the horse. If there are no corners the horse is less likely to be trapped.

You can rarely have too many gates. If you're thinking about eventually having another pasture adjoining or a drive somewhere put in the gate opening even if you don't put in the gate now. Remember, the best way to keep people from climbing the fence is to provide them a gate. That somebody climbing the fence cause another somebody didn't put in a gate in the most obvious place might be your wife.

Another thing I always try to do. I try to get the wife's input. I know they're the little woman but they are so practical. And they think of little things that you and me wouldn't in a million years or until it jumps up and hits smack in the face.

Another thing I try to do with customers is do the worst case scenario. There's a big storm coming in and we want to get the livestock under cover. Let's build the fence so that's doable by one person if possible.

Remember to build your gate openings smaller than the gate so if the latch is undone the animal has to not only pull the gate open but walk around it to get out.

I like to use offset hinges that make the gate close on it's own when I can. Gravity works, most times.
 
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Harv, thanks so much for the reply! I hadn't thought about the 45 degree corners, a great idea. Someone down the road had a new horse cornered by the two original horses. In the scuffle, the fence was broken, they got out onto a highway. Not pretty.

<font color=blue>The first would be about the overall construction plan. What kind of fence will it end up being? Are you going to have posts and wire, posts and rails etc?</font color=blue>

Initially, I will have four strands of white <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.horseguardfence.com>Horse Guard Fencing</A> tape with a Parmak charger. I was going to use 4" x 4" x 8' posts spaced 8' apart in the event someone, i.e., the wife /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif wants to put up 1" x 6" rails at some time. Right now, we're stretching the budget just for the posts and tape, much less 4 rails. The best price I got on the posts (no haggling yet) was $5.19 each at 84 Lumber. 194 posts to enclose 1,433 linear feet of fence.
 
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This evening we loaded up the door frame for the house where I'm building the front doors.
 

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This frame looks pretty big sitting on the trailer.
 

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But once we got to the house it didn't appear big at all. It fit in right where it was supposed to. Funny how that works sometimes and sometimes not.

I don't think you can see the details but there are thousands of dents and dings in the metal. Four, sometimes five, hammers with different patterns and one old man's right arm just getting after it.

It's sorta interesting how things work. You have a forty to fifty dollar hammer and you hit something perfectly wrong and a chip flies out. You push the dirty words out of the way so you won't trip over them and grab another hammer.

Then one day you want to have a distinctive ding kinda dent and low and behold, lemon becomes lemonade. Life is so good it's shame you only get one chance.

I don't know if you can see the bowls along the sides and in the top of the frame. They're there to hold flowers. There is no pattern to their placement. The customer looked at that and gave me a questiony kinda look.

I explained their placement as a reflection of my feminine side. You know the mother nature part of oneself. I pointed out to him that mother nature doesn't put two flowers on side of a plant and then get all in a tither to balance it out with two on the other side. If she didn't get excited about balance then why the heck should I?

He informed me that I was the artist so it must be okay. Have I got it made or what?

Don't say it harv.

BTW harv it you look back in that mess you will see a rusty looking frame with a curvey kind of shape. It's a swing. I got my head a little cockeyed one day and made a swing out of chainlink materials, just for grins. I planned on putting it at a wholesalers so all my cohorts in crime could rest a bit on me. But the one inch mesh eleven gauge chainlink turned out to be so comfortable I kept it for myself. Wife wants to move it up to the house. But I ain't finished with it. I sometimes have a problem finishing things, character flaw, first to brag about it.
 
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<font color=blue>I don't think you can see the details</font color=blue>

We sorta can, but I'm wondering if there was supposed to be one more picture showing the installed frame. If not, I sure wish there was.
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Looks danged impressive on the trailer.

And BTW -- who's the geezer on the skidsteer? (And if it isn't you, please replace "geezer" with "fine-looking gentleman"). /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

<font color=blue>Don't say it harv.</font color=blue>

"IT!!!!!" /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif

Hey, that chain link swing sounds interesting. Any chance of some better picts?

<font color=blue>I sometimes have a problem finishing things</font color=blue>

Cripes, Harv, I can already tell that you've finished more projects than I ever even started.
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What's next?
 
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<font color=blue>What's next?</font color=blue>

The mind has been working harv, working.

Here's a sample.

In my youth I had to have a trailer that would haul my racecar. I didn't have any money to buy one so I made one. One of the problems with race car trailers is the car starts out real close to the ground. And often they are damaged racing and must be loaded and unloaded with even less ground clearance. So I made it a tilt trailer. It was ugly but trick. So I'd like to find some old pictures of it and put them here along with a description of how it was made so some folks can venture into uniqueland. It's not a bad place, rather fun really.

I see there's a real desire amongst some of the folks that let their fingers do the walking to TBN for a demonstration on how to bend heavy wall tubing for say like ROPS. I've figured out how to do it where the handier types can duplicate the process at home or in the shop of their new very best friend.

One of the problems with wagon design, your old standard little red wagon or old farm hay or grain or cotton wagon is you have to allow for the swing when doing a turn. A bud of mine loves to restore and work on old cars. So he needed to have a buggy to walk through the old car swapmeets to haul his new found treasures. So he designed and built one. It has no swing problem. The back wheels trail exactly in the tread of the front wheels. I'm sure he wasn't the originator of the design but that doesn't mean the design isn't the trickest thing since putting pockets on shirts.

I'd like to do a thing showing how to make such a wagon. If we get around to it about next spring it'll be perfect for a Mother's Day gift.

I want to do the receiver thing for the FEL I've talked about. I've even arranged for a Kubota tractor for my demonstration (he gets to keep the thingy dingy, nothing's free it seems anymore).

I'd like to build some home made forks and hay spears.

And you know in the old days the farmer's number one bud besides the bank was the blacksmith. I'd like to get with some local smiths that are up on the old ways and do a demo on how they shaped and made plows etc. Just the other day a friend whose dad was a smith called to find out if I could resharpen and shape the blades on his brush hog. I have all the equipment and bud remembers as a kid all the farmers bringing in their blades for his dad to tune up.

That would be fun.

I'd like to build a project green house. I already have one. You see about eight years ago I poured a slab for my little building in the back yard. At one end I poured a section lower than the building slab five by ten, building ten by twelve. I shaped a drain and ran the drain out to the edge of the slab and capped it.

Then about three or four years after that I put in all the french drains in the back yard and ran a drain to the street in front. At that time I picked up the drain from the future green house and put it into the drain system.

A couple of years ago I worked on a multimillion dollar house of one of the biggest jerks to ever walk the face of the earth. He put both "R's" in SORRY, almost added a third. But his master bath was being remodeled by some buds of mine. I told them not to break the glass when they removed it. That glass and some recycled redwood planking facilitated our green house I built this year.

But I know there are some guys out there that would love to build a nice green house. I think we can build one that's economical and durable. Mother's Day again comes to mind.

I've been watching the thing up there on pipe pulling. For the life of me I can't remember the details but I made a little machine for a friend's company for burying cable tv and telephone drops. It worked real well. But it just wasn't enough better than the old way to justify converting over to it. But it was a total original design. I just can't remember the details. That's a problem I have, remembering, gets me in trouble all the time.........

I think we could have some fun with different ways of doing things like feeders and furniture too. I'd also like to do some rock stuff.

On that fountain in the project at the photo web site I use we get to see what happens when a mind does it's own thing and a customer goes with it. I put that fountain together with epoxy, big rocks, little rocks, and stainless steel. The main rock, sorry boulder, it was sensitive about that, weighed four hundred pounds. The way I put it in there it's actually this large coffee table with a hole drilled from the bottom.

In this hole fits some clear plastic tubing attached to a pump. I went through three pumps to find the one I wanted, that did what I wanted to happen without me knowing exactly what I wanted to happen but I knew I would know it when I saw it, get it?

At that point I placed a big rock on top of the boulder, the one with feelings about names. I turned on the first pump. It was like the spray bar on one of those big water buggies at a construction. That dog mighta hunted. But not in a nice neighborhood like that. So I studied a bit. I needed the water to come out with some volume but not straight out all mad like.

I made a bowl in the bottom of the top rock. I figured that bowl would confuse the water under pressure just enough that it'd come out between the two rocks more like a staggering drunk than a sprinter with the devil on his tail. It worked. Never ever doubt the power of confusion.

Then I decided that we needed a little water coming out from the bottom of the statue standing on the rock above the boulder with the inferiority complex. So I drilled a smaller hole in the bowl. That worked.

But we had some splashing. So I drilled some smaller rocks an epoxied some half inch stainless pins in them. I drilled corresponding holes in the boulder to break up the flow and cut back on the splashing. That worked.

I have a saying about luck. "I'd rather be lucky than good. Anyone can be good. That only takes working at it."

With the fountain I got real lucky. I'd picked out the rocks at the landscape products vendor. They were just rocks with a color approximately the color we had around the place. But when the water got going it turned out there were these really neat lines of quartz running through the rocks that were like chrome on a Mercedes. You wouldn't think it'd be appropriate but when you actually see it sometimes it's alright.

I gotta go.

Someone's complaining right now about me chewing up all this bandwidth meandering.....
 
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Here's some details on the installed door frame.
 

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