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   / Furious over citation #11  
I'd have to agree with Bird on this one. If you knew it was out but didn't fix it you can't complain too much. I'd get it fixed and go to court and tell your story. Never know it might get dismissed.
 
   / Furious over citation #12  
I have to agree with several of the opinions here as you knew the light was burnt out. But , In cases like this, a repair should invalidate the citation just on what I consider fair practice or something of that nature.

If one feels truley mistreated plead not guilty and when the fine is mentioned take the days of incarceration instead.
A friend of mines grandfather did this many a year ago and the story is truly hilarious but will not be told here.

Egon
 
   / Furious over citation #13  
I usually agree with Bird, however in this case I am with you Tres. Every year the noose gets tighter, Of couse the town would never use these type of laws as revenue raisers right? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Here in NY if you get the thing fixed and go to a police station they will inspect it and then sign off that it is OK. And mail it in and it is dismissed. I am however very sorry about you dog /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif It is amazing how attached you become to them.
 
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about 2 days before we left town for a week, I notieced it was out. had no time to fix prior to leaving. gone for week, returned this past monday NIGHT.

Quite honestly, I'd forgotton all about this light until yesterday, and I was in mad dash to get to backhoe dealer for parts for Brutus and plum forgot about the bulb until I got home. Not a problem, weekend is coming up....

(not to sound defensive but) but yes, I "knew" about it, I wasn't being derelict in my mainteince of it. I just had not had the time to get to it and it WAS on my list to do tomorrow. I COULD have lied to him playing the innocent part but /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif to me, that's wrong and I'll not do that..I'll own up to my shortcomings.

Interestinlg enough, a friend of mine is an attorney and insisting on going with me to court. I laughed and told him it's silly for him to use his energy that way for a stupid light. He maintained his intent to show up.. lol...(I still think it's silly of him to waste his time) He thinks if I show up alone, the "fine" will be dismissed (he guesses it to be $50) and all I'll have to do is pay court costs.. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif He is hopeing he can "talk to the judge".

Sigh... do they allow access to TBN from jail? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

The point I'm trying to show by this "defensive" comment is, all things in life have to take their proper place, this one had it's time, and it was Saturday. What I've not mentined yet is, the cop was about 4 cars ahead of me, whipped over to right shoulder (2 lanes over) so all could pass him.. he then got back in right lane (I was in left lane to turn left), then he slid over... upon his sliding over, I realized he was probably seeing "me". I presume he saw me in his headlights and went to that effort to make this. lol, I'm laughing about this, but I think it smackes of him being shy of his quota.
 
   / Furious over citation #15  
Make sure you take the receipt for the new lamp with you to court. The judge has a lot of latitude on a $210 fine. Could end up being dismissed or$50 fine..........who knows?
Good luck though...........sorry to hear about the dog /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #16  
Bird, it's the amount I have a problem with. Who in the almighty name of the state comes up with the value of the fine? A citation, a fix it ticket, a $25.00 for not fixing it going up each time he's pulled over if it's still not fixed, sure, no problem. I have had great experiences with the California Highway Patrol, in my experience, some of the finest patrolmen in this country. You say Texas law provides a $200 fine but don't they also allow one to DRINK and DRIVE? Talk about a wacko policy. Not the officers fault, just a legislature that needs a spanking.
 
   / Furious over citation #17  
You guys need to drive a tractor trailer like I do. Talk about harassment, I get pulled over for a headlight, besides getting a ticket for the headlight, I'm sure I'll get a seatbelt violation too and that's another $50.00.

I had a buddy get stopped on the Ohio Turnpike, coming back to Toledo from Cleveland. The cop pulled him over, told him he clocked him at 58 in a 55. He said, you have your choice, a speeding ticket (2) points or a seatbelt ticket $50.00 and no points. A smart trucker takes the belt ticket. Points on your CDL are death for your job. I've included a picture of my daytime job. The cops look at it as "revenue" on wheels"

See, I could whine, but it don't do me any good. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Daryl
Forage Services, L.P.
 

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   / Furious over citation #18  
Richard,

Yes, I agree a citation that is not retractable sounds excessive, but you were driving at night with only one light. To you this was apparently acceptable, but to the officer it wasn't. My father absolutely couldn't stand that people who drove with only one light. Most folks say. hey it's only a light, but my father thought of it as reckless driving. It was just an accident waiting to happen. With this up-bringing, when I have had lights burn out on me, my plans changed and Pep Boys was my very next stop, and yes, I put in the new light that night.
 
   / Furious over citation #19  
Rat, in Texas it used to be legal to drink and drive (and I agreed with that position; what difference does it make whether you're drinking a beer while driving home from work or whether you stop at a bar and have that beer before driving home as long as you haven't had too much and are not impaired?). However, the MADD organization finally badgered our legislature, several years ago, to pass a law making it illegal to drink while driving. But since those legislators might want to have a drink themselves in their cars, they wrote the law so that it only applied to the driver of the vehicle, an officer had to actually see the driver take a drink while driving, and then the officer could only issue a citation with a maximum fine of $75, which could not affect your insurance rates (unless the driver really was intoxicated). /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But then a couple of years ago, MADD finally badgered them into changing the law again, so that now it's illegal to have an open container in the passenger compartment of a vehicle in Texas. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif So now instead of being able to drink one or two beers on the way home, folks have to stop at the bar first and get drunk before they get in their car so, in my opinion, the only thing an open container law accomplishes is a little more revenue, but if I, personally, disagree with a law, but that's what our elected officials want, then I think a police officer should either enforce that law or resign.

The maximum penalty for any traffic violation in Texas was $200 when I started in law enforcement 39 years ago, but the actual fine for defective lights was usually $10, and of course with inflation, those fines have increased, and I, too, think Richard's fine is unreasonably high (as are the current fines on the last list I saw for this area).

The thing that puzzles me is that Richard (and many other people in similar situations, and obviously some of members on this forum) blames the police officer. I'd really like to be able to understand that but have never had anyone explain it to my satisfaction.

The officer didn't make that light.
The officer didn't break that light.
Richard knew the light wasn't working.
Richard knew it was legally required to be working.
Richard didn't get it fixed because it wasn't yet convenient. Now since Richard's a friend of ours from this forum, we know he was going to get it fixed, but when, and how would that officer know that? And even though he still had one headlight working, well . . ., there's a reason cars have more than one. One burned out, what happens if Richard's driving the speed limit on a dark street with one headlight, and it burns out. If that causes him to crash, someone (possibly him, possibly someone else) is likely to get hurt. So, in other words, there's a reason for that law. Personally, I agree with it, but if others don't, that's OK, talk to your legislators. In any case, the officer didn't make that law. But he did take an oath to enforce the laws that exist. Does Richard think the officer should violate that oath?

So then Richard thinks the officer must just be trying to make his quota. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif In nearly 25 years experience in law enforcement, and becoming acquainted with officers from all over this nation as well as around the world, I doubt there's a traffic officer anywhere who has not been accused of that. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif And in polling police agencies, I found that there are (or at least have been) some police agencies with quotas, but it's far less than 1 in a thousand. However, contrary to what most people think of police officers, most officers really hate to write traffic citations (they'd rather be catching thieves, burglars, robbers, rapists, and killers), but the fact is that traffic accidents kill more people than all those others combined. As a result, most police chiefs have resorted to a wide variety of methods, incentives, training, and you name it to get the officers to do more traffic enforcement, and yet if your area's anything like mine, you can't drive on the streets 30 minutes without seeing a traffic violation. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Who in the almighty name of the state comes up with the value of the fine? )</font>

State legislatures establish a range of punishment, city councils sometimes, or the head judge, sets amounts to be charged for those who simply wish to pay without appearing in court, and individual judges set the fines in individual cases (upon conviction) for those who do appear in court. Usually, in my experience, if a person appears in court and pleads quilty or no contest, the fine is smaller than if the person just calls and/or pays the fine before the court date. But of course, you're always taking some chance in appearing in court because then the judge can set the fine at any amount within that range, and I've actually seen people antagonize judges and get fined 5 to 10 times as much as they would have otherwise. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Furious over citation #20  
I think of this every time I see a Police car with a light out. I know in our town they take the car back to the station and exchange it for another car. Quess what, they don't tow it back they drive it. But you can't drive yours home. There is a bad double standard when it comes to those in law enforcement.

BTW My turn signals on my dune buggy quit while out on a drive tonight with my wife. I came straight home.

Being a life long resident in what used to be a nice small town you tend to know most of the officers or at least who they are (went to school with a lot of them). What do you think they would do to you if you drove your car the way they drive their own personal cars while off duty. We all know who they are and have all seen them.

I believe it should be mandatory that you are given a warning first, 24 hours is fair. With computers and such they can check and see if you have had a warning or not.

All that said it sounds like you just ran into a jerk that wanted to show you how powerful he is and justify his existence. If his shift got over that night and his personal car had a headlight out I'd bet you my tractor he would drive it home.

No disrespect meant to decent law enforcement just the Jerks.

Good Luck, hope you win!
 
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