Gas cooktop - Where's the heat?

/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #21  
It's kinda hard to tell from a picture, but I think it looks like a pretty good flame. Put that much fire under a pot and something is going to happen.

Could it be that we're trying to fix something that ain't broke?

On page one of the owner's manual for that range it plainly says "A watched pot never boils."
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #22  
OK -- I'm bored.

Actually . . . I'm still curious about your appliance regulator. Your flame looks "soft". Here's a pic of one of our medium burners on high.

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This is often described as a "hard blue flame".

At the same time, you should be realistic about how fast water will boil. You said you were boiling 3/4 of a 5 quart pot full of water. Lots of variables, but we can estimate . . .

3/4 x 5 = 3.75 quarts = .94 gallons

.94 gallons x 8.3 lb / gallon = 7.8 lb water

If your water is 50 degrees to start, you need to raise the water temp 212 - 50 = 162 degrees.

It takes 1 BTU to raise the temp of 1 pound of water 1 degree. We need 162 x 7.8 = 1264 BTUs.

It's often estimated that the heat transfer of a burner like this is about 30 - 40%. Again, lots of variables related to pots and materials and distance and circulation . . .

If 30% efficient, you need to burn 4213 BTUs in order to transfer 1264 BTU
If 40% efficient, you need to burn 3160 BTUs to do the same.

On a 15K/hour burner, this would take:
At 30% efficiency -- 4213 / 15,000 = .28 hour = 17 minutes
At 40% efficiency -- 3160 / 15,000 = .21 hour = 13 minutes

And this is on the biggest burner on HIGH setting. We rarely use our BIGGEST burner because it's usually too wide for the pot. Smaller burner would take longer due to lower ouput.


I was joking above about "a watched pot never boils", but obviously you're not the first person to think it took too long.

Be sure they verify that your regulator is set right.

The next time you "time how long it takes to boil water", actually check the temperature of the water before you start the clock and measure the volume of water and let's see if the result is reasonable.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #23  
The flame being too wide for the pot is the most likely cause of the issue. I have a Wolf that has 34 different size burners running on propane. This is definitely not a problem I have. I can boil a very large SS blanching pot with probably 3 gallons of water in that amount of time.on a 25,000 BTU burner.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #24  
I have a 6 burner Dacor that runs on Natty-G.
Our’s boils that much water in about 1/2 the time the OP’s takes.
It also needs cleaning…. :oops:
 

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/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #25  
I hate you all. I so dearly wish I had access to NG.
 
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I hate you all. I so dearly wish I had access to NG.
I don't hate 'um. But I also wish I had that access. I got an ugly, expensive, propane tank hanging out in my backyard. I tried to get the natural gas company to run a line to my house but they said the closest trunk they had was over 4,000' away. The said it cost them $20,000 to run the last big expansion of 800'...
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #27  
Why is the propane so expensive compared to NG? I have 2 dual fuel units, 5 tons, dual fuel range and one of 2 HWHs is gas. My gas is not high in my opinion. LP is more expensive pu but LP is also 2 times more efficient. In the end it just depends on the price per unit. I'm guessing it's probably a wash.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #28  
I don't hate 'um. But I also wish I had that access. I got an ugly, expensive, propane tank hanging out in my backyard. I tried to get the natural gas company to run a line to my house but they said the closest trunk they had was over 4,000' away. The said it cost them $20,000 to run the last big expansion of 800'...

I'm on propane too. That pic I posted is the front burner on our propane cooktop.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #29  
Why is the propane so expensive compared to NG? I have 2 dual fuel units, 5 tons, dual fuel range and one of 2 HWHs is gas. My gas is not high in my opinion. LP is more expensive pu but LP is also 2 times more efficient. In the end it just depends on the price per unit. I'm guessing it's probably a wash.

LP is NOT 2 times more efficient. If you have a 94% efficient natural gas furnace and convert it to propane, it's still 94% efficient. But, to your point, if you compare the cost per BTU or THERM, etc., propane is certainly more expensive.

True that propane is more energy dense -- has 2500 BTU per cubic foot vs. NG at 1000 BTU per cubic foot. But the amount of fuel delivered to the burner is adjusted so the appliance has the same energy input. (A 100K BTU furnace consumes 100K BTU / hour whether it's using NG or propane.)

Propane isn't delivered via a pipeline network that transfers gas from the well to the burner-tip and serves hundreds of thousands at a time. Plus natural gas is more plentiful. Propane is definitely more expensive than being connected to a NG utility.
 
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/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #30  
But it would take half as much LP to produce the 94% efficiency as it would NG. No argument NG is probably cheaper overall but I'm thinking not by a lot. I can tell you if I had NG available I would be using it but I wouldn't take out my propane tank. I think once the feds have closed as many coal fired and nuke power plants as they are able you will see the price of NG become unaffordable.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #31  
But it would take half as much LP to produce the 94% efficiency as it would NG. No argument NG is probably cheaper overall but I'm thinking not by a lot. I can tell you if I had NG available I would be using it but I wouldn't take out my propane tank. I think once the feds have closed as many coal fired and nuke power plants as they are able you will see the price of NG become unaffordable.

Our last propane delivery in December was $2.70 per gallon. Based on that unit cost and the cost of NG ($1.27 per CCF) from the nearest utility company, we'd save a little more than 50% if we were hooked up to a gas main. It would cut our bill in half. To me, that's a lot.

And a lot of people pay MORE than $2.70 per gallon.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #33  
Yep, NG is reasonable right now. It won't be for very long. We may reach a day when folks that have NG will be installing an LP tank.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #34  
I went induction for the stove.

About as close as I could get to any type of gas. I figure it's a good middle ground for a stove (I still prefer a gas oven but it is what it is)
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #35  
Our stove is Propane, too. Initially, the contractor did it wrong and installed the NG fittings. It was like roasting weenies on a bonfire. (Maybe a little exaggeration)

Also frustrated that we couldn't get NG as we have 2 different NG lines crossing our property.

Not sure, but image looks like your flame is too low. We got a Samsung. Updated version of one we had on NG in the old house.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #36  
Oh well none of this matters now, the gov____ment is taking away all sources of fossil fuels over the next 10-15 years.
Therefore, we will all be on the electric grid, and driving electric cars-under their complete control.
Behave badly or do something they don’t like and they can just shut you off.

Plus they can tax the pants off you, too. Where else you gonna go?
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #37  
Oh well none of this matters now, the gov____ment is taking away all sources of fossil fuels over the next 10-15 years.
Therefore, we will all be on the electric grid, and driving electric cars-under their complete control.
Behave badly or do something they don’t like and they can just shut you off.

Plus they can tax the pants off you, too. Where else you gonna go?
At 81 I have already passed on the torch to my oldest son (youngest son as many of you know is with our Lord) anyway HD sad to say you all are going to have to deal with it . . . ;).
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #38  
And a lot of people pay MORE than $2.70 per gallon.
We just paid $3.49 a couple weeks ago.
We're a relatively light user...maybe 140 gal/yr tops. I'm sure it's cheaper for higher volume users.
NG doesn't come anywhere near us so LP is the only choice if you want gas.
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #39  
LP here,--- ditched the damn electric junk 15 years ago! -- I can fine tune the gas to run my pressure canner and never could on the electric junk. ---- PLUS its a hotter heat!
 
/ Gas cooktop - Where's the heat? #40  
Electric induction stoves outperform gas and conventional electric stoves pretty handily when it comes to heating. I'd get one at our house except for a few things...

- we'd have to add an electric circuit and I'm all out of space in my 100amp box.
- I'd have to buy all new cookware, as I'm still using the Revere Ware we got for our wedding in 1985, plus several other pieces I've picked up over the years. I'm so used to it. Still nice and shiny, too.
- our canners and pressure cookers are steel and aluminum.
 

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