GC parking brake popped out! Damage pics.

[mustangsallysdad]

Some of us have more experience with machinery than others (I have plenty)...I believe that Massey Ferguson is more than happy to take our money on the purchase of a new tractor regardless of our level of experience and will do so with little to no "dealer lot" training. That being said, I believe there is a "reasonable" expectation that a device clearly marked and referred to as a "park or parking brake" should hold the tractor on at least a gradual incline. Pointing to the roughly 20 degree slope by our pond, I asked my wife, who has little to moderate tractor experience; "If you park the tractor on that hill and set the brake, would it hold? "Sure", she replied. I then informed her that I had actually tried it, and it would not (yes, my brakes are properly adjusted). Her response; "Then what good is it?" To which I say, "exactly". Wacky (and MF as I see it) is very fortunate to have not been seriously injured. It's time Massey stepped up to the plate and addressed an obvious design flaw/machine defect before someone gets hurt. Machinery safety devices should be reliable regardless of the price point the manufacturer is trying to make. How many of us have the seat switch or neutral safety switch disabled on these tractors due to a lack of reliability? I do, and if I get injured it's my own fault. But, ultimately, you shouldn't have to sacrifice your personal safety due to an unreliable product.

 

[Wacky]

I also did not intend to offend anyone.
Just pointing out the fact that the design of the parking brake is flawed. That has been proven by the pictures.
The foot brake on mine will hold very well, but when the parking brake is applied, some of the tension is relieved by the design of the locking mechanism, which will allow the machine to move on a steep slope(I've tried it).
Which all leads back to flaws in the original design.

I am not offended in any way, I apologize if that was construed. I agree with the brake not designed properly.

 

[ray66v]

most times i get in a bind where the machine starts to go and i instinctively hit the brake pedal, it doesn't do much good anyway. the brakes just aren't up to the task.

The brakes aren't working, because your using the machine incorrectly.

This is not a car, or a truck. The brake pedal is not meant to stop the machine at any speed. The brakes are only meant to hold the machine in a given position, and to be able to engage the parking brake lever.

The hydro pedals are your speed controls. If you need to slow down, or stop, faster than it does when you rapidly remove pressure from the hydro pedal, (not sure why, if you pedal returns to neutral like it is supposed to, this just about throws you off), you can apply some pressure on the reverse hydro pedal, and stop faster than with power disc brakes.

Same thing for a zero turn mower, want to stop fast, use reverse for a second.

My fairway mower has not had a working brake system since I have owned it. It has the drive axle in the front, and goes faster than the 2310 does, using some reverse pedal, I can stop so fast, the rear wheels, (steering axle), will come off the ground.

 

[Wacky]

Some of us have more experience with machinery than others (I have plenty)...I believe that Massey Ferguson is more than happy to take our money on the purchase of a new tractor regardless of our level of experience and will do so with little to no "dealer lot" training. That being said, I believe there is a "reasonable" expectation that a device clearly marked and referred to as a "park or parking brake" should hold the tractor on at least a gradual incline. Pointing to the roughly 20 degree slope by our pond, I asked my wife, who has little to moderate tractor experience; "If you park the tractor on that hill and set the brake, would it hold? "Sure", she replied. I then informed her that I had actually tried it, and it would not (yes, my brakes are properly adjusted). Her response; "Then what good is it?" To which I say, "exactly". Wacky (and MF as I see it) is very fortunate to have not been seriously injured. It's time Massey stepped up to the plate and addressed an obvious design flaw/machine defect before someone gets hurt. Machinery safety devices should be reliable regardless of the price point the manufacturer is trying to make. How many of us have the seat switch or neutral safety switch disabled on these tractors due to a lack of reliability? I do, and if I get injured it's my own fault. But, ultimately, you shouldn't have to sacrifice your personal safety due to an unreliable product.

Agreed, lesson learned. I am very hesitant to let ANYONE use this machine anywhere because of just that, regardless of there "experience". This, I believe, will not be corrected UNTIL someone gets seriously hurt. They may redesign for future production, but I don't see them recalling until the worst happens.

 

[dcyrilc]

This, I believe, will not be corrected UNTIL someone gets seriously hurt. They may redesign for future production, but I don't see them recalling until the worst happens.

Sadly, I have to agree with you on this.

 

[Wacky]

The brakes aren't working, because your using the machine incorrectly.
The brake pedal is not meant to stop the machine at any speed. The brakes are only meant to hold the machine in a given position, and to be able to engage the parking brake lever.

The hydro pedals are your speed controls. If you need to slow down, or stop, faster than it does when you rapidly remove pressure from the hydro pedal, (not sure why, if you pedal returns to neutral like it is supposed to, this just about throws you off), you can apply some pressure on the reverse hydro pedal, and stop faster than with power disc brakes.

Same thing for a zero turn mower, want to stop fast, use reverse for a second.



I couldn't have said it better. I never used the brake other than to hold the machine while I set the MMM height, started the MMM, or dump the loader.
The only other thing was to set the parking brake.

 

[Don87]

The brakes aren't working, because your using the machine incorrectly.

This is not a car, or a truck. The brake pedal is not meant to stop the machine at any speed. The brakes are only meant to hold the machine in a given position, and to be able to engage the parking brake lever.
The hydro pedals are your speed controls. If you need to slow down, or stop, faster than it does when you rapidly remove pressure from the hydro pedal, (not sure why, if you pedal returns to neutral like it is supposed to, this just about throws you off), you can apply some pressure on the reverse hydro pedal, and stop faster than with power disc brakes.

Same thing for a zero turn mower, want to stop fast, use reverse for a second.

My fairway mower has not had a working brake system since I have owned it. It has the drive axle in the front, and goes faster than the 2310 does, using some reverse pedal, I can stop so fast, the rear wheels, (steering axle), will come off the ground.

And the highlighted portion is the fallacy in your arguement, And Massey's for that matter.
As i stated, I can hold the tractor on a steep slope(probably 30 degree) while holding the pedal..........but when I engage the parking brake..........due to the design......it backs off.......causing the brakes to release slightly............and the tractor rolls away.
You gotta remember...........we ain't talking about a moving vehicle here........we are talking about a vehicle that is stopped and in nuetral.
I have tested mine to the full extreme cause my wife is the one that uses it the most, and I want her safe.
Ain't no operator error here..........it is pure and simple a design flaw.
This time 'offense was intended'
"Parking Brake" is just that........intended for "parking"........vehicle don't move when adjusted as per manual..........period.

 

[ray66v]

And the highlighted portion is the fallacy in your arguement, And Massey's for that matter.
As i stated, I can hold the tractor on a steep slope(probably 30 degree) while holding the pedal..........but when I engage the parking brake..........due to the design......it backs off.......causing the brakes to release slightly............and the tractor rolls away.
You gotta remember...........we ain't talking about a moving vehicle here........we are talking about a vehicle that is stopped and in nuetral.
I have tested mine to the full extreme cause my wife is the one that uses it the most, and I want her safe.
Ain't no operator error here..........it is pure and simple a design flaw.
This time 'offense was intended'
"Parking Brake" is just that........intended for "parking"........vehicle don't move when adjusted as per manual..........period.

If you could write a coherent message, perhaps I could understand you.

Do you realize I was not addressing you?

If your trying to tell me there is a problem with your parking brake, what would you like me to do about it?

 

[Don87]

If you could write a coherent message, perhaps I could understand you.

Do you realize I was not addressing you?

If your trying to tell me there is a problem with your parking brake, what would you like me to do about it?

Probably the best thing to do at this time , is to refer you to your previous post where you said we were operating our machines incorrectly.
Then you can start at the beginning of the thread...........specifically the "parked portion" with the operator "off the tractor"..........then tell us how your post was relevant to this thread.

 

[Willl]

I'll bet MF will ask if you followed the "Parking Safely" instructions in your user manual.