Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission

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DDUBBS

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Hummelstown, Pa.
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2009 Bobcat CT440 Hydro
I am having a hard time deciding on the transmission I want in a tractor. I am planning to buy a 38 or 41 HP class tractor within the next 3 months. I will be using it to remove and clear older pine trees that have been dying out for years. Some of the tree are dead and alot are on the way out. After that project is acommplished I plan to replant something else. The area of ground I will be working on is around 18 acres. I am leaning toward Kioti or Bobcat. Kioti Models DK35 / DK40 or Bobcat Models CT335 /CT440. Would like to hear some different thoughts.

Thanks
 
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Hello DDUBBS, welcome to TBN! Glad to see you posting. Hope you enjoy being a member of our community. :)
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission
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Thanks,

I think TBN will be an asset in helping me with equipment questions

DDUBBS
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #5  
This can get you started, but by no means is inclusive of the thousands of post on the forum, about the merits of gear vs hydro.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/189202-hydro-gear-used-tractor.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...9-hydrostatic-transmission-vs-gear-trans.html

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/181453-gear-hydro.html

Or you could listen to me and know without all the reading that Hydro is best for almost all surburban/urban weekend tractor owners like the majority of us. Unless you plow a field all day, hydro is what you want. Just listen to me and save yourself all that trouble.... or NOT!:laughing::laughing:

James K0UA
 
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  • Thread Starter
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Thanks k0ua,

I will read the forums and keep your opion in mind. I am leaning toward the hydro, but an old timer told me to go with a gear. That is all he had used in his time on a tractor. I do not think he spent any time on a hydro.

Thanks
DDUBBS
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #8  
Well you might ask the "old timer" why not get a hydo? Is it because they are bad? or is it because he has never used one and doesnt know a "darn" thing about them? I am also an "old timer" and have owned 4 tractors. 2 gear and 2 hydro. I will never go back to gear. Reasons to NOT own a hydro..
Hydo's eat some power. true. hydro's make more heat. true. think about the power loss thing.. it gotta go somewhere. hydo's whine, true. they whine a little less after they are broken in. A hydro, if it doesnt have cruise-control (most do but not all) could be tiresome to use in long stretch's of mowing or plowing. Reason TO own a hydro: Anyone can use a hydro in 5 minutes or less of instruction. your wife, your kid, your neighbor, your dog. No skill neccessary to make it go. : with a hydo you can change directions instantly back and forth, really handy in loader work. Safer, the tractor stops when you let your foot off of the hydro or creeps extremely slowly, if downhill. And the biggest reason. is you will never have the level of control for "feathering" of the bucket, or a box blade, or hooking up a 3pt as you do with the hydro. bar none, and I dont care what anyone says. Until you have driven a hydro for awhile you just don't understand the "hydro experience" the level of control you have with it. Oh sure you can "get good" at feathering the clutch with a gear. (clutch wear on throwout bearing?) but it is an aquired skill from many years at doing so.. not something you can pick up right away. as an example when digging a shallow trench with a bucket, you can dump/curl the bucket to dig your trench while rocking the tractor back and forth also with the hydro pedal, in a syncrounous motion to acheive the trench much easier than slipping the clutch. Hard to explain, easy to do. when loading a pallet on your tailgate of your expensive truck and feathering the loader, and moving in on the tailgate, which one do you want near your $40,000 dollar truck, gear with clutch or hydro?. to sum it up. Lots of people have lots of opinions. I sure do:laughing::laughing: BUT. ask any of the hydro basher's, how many they have owned? why they will never own another? what went wrong, and is it specific to one hydro/brand. or are all hydo/brands bad? You might find some who will take this tack. but I bet the majority will tell the truth, and admit they have never owned a hydro tractor. or maybe only used one for a few minutes or hours. There probably are some things that a hydo has no advantage or does not do as well as a gear tractor, I guess that is why they still make them, Plowing comes to mind, and I am sure there are others. But in my mind for the average guy with a CUT or a SCUT.. no question in my mind. Hydro. Excuse me I am going to the closet to get my asbestos suit now.
James K0UA
 
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Well you might ask the "old timer" why not get a hydo? Is it because they are bad? or is it because he has never used one and doesnt know a "darn" thing about them? I am also an "old timer" and have owned 4 tractors. 2 gear and 2 hydro. I will never go back to gear. Reasons to NOT own a hydro......................................................................................................................... But in my mind for the average guy with a CUT or a SCUT.. no question in my mind. Hydro. Excuse me I am going to the closet to get my asbestos suit now.
James K0UA
Amen, you said it all!
 
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Thanks for your expert advise. You explained the differences in a way I can comprehend. Well said. Hyrdo it is!!!!! Now I am looking for a tractor!!!

Thanks
DDUBBS
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #11  
Glad to have been of some help..This has been the shortest Gear vs Hydro thread I have seen. Enjoy your new tractor, which ever one you decide on, you will get a lot of use out of it, I am sure. I sure have enjoyed all of mine.
James K0UA
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #12  
Well i am not over the hill but i can see it from here . I own 2 tractors one gear , one hydro and the hydro is so much better, safer and as mentioned anyone can drive it . that comes in very handy around a farm !! it is so smooth to operate and to hook up attachments once you use one you will never go back
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #13  
Thanks for your expert advise. You explained the differences in a way I can comprehend. Well said. Hyrdo it is!!!!! Now I am looking for a tractor!!!

Thanks
DDUBBS

i have run both and the hydro is best --now you next move check the loader hydro i ran some that are just pathetic no power the next one lift the *** of the tractor off the ground don't under power you hydro then you will hat your new tractor :thumbsup:
 
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Guess I will be the odd one out. I will take the sync/shuttle any day other than for mowing around a lot of trees etc. And yes I do have one hydro.
 
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Guess I will be the odd one out. I will take the sync/shuttle any day other than for mowing around a lot of trees etc. And yes I do have one hydro.
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Just curious, have you operated a FEL with the hydro tranny? Yes no doubt the hydro is better for mowing, especially if there is any trees to mow around, on straight stretch's it doesnt matter. But for FEL work, it cannot be beaten. I was just wondering as the McCormick seems to have the shuttle, and the JD probably has the power reverser, is the Bolens the hydro?
James
 
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...using it to remove and clear older pine trees that have been dying out for years...
Get a root grapple from the start... or at least a bucket mounted grapple. ...also, no question, HST.
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #17  
Just curious, have you operated a FEL with the hydro tranny? Yes no doubt the hydro is better for mowing, especially if there is any trees to mow around, on straight stretch's it doesnt matter. But for FEL work, it cannot be beaten. I was just wondering as the McCormick seems to have the shuttle, and the JD probably has the power reverser, is the Bolens the hydro?
James

I've used a FEL with both hydro and shuttle equipped tractors. Once I got used to using my left hand instead of my right foot I found little to no difference between the two.
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #18  
Just curious, have you operated a FEL with the hydro tranny? Yes no doubt the hydro is better for mowing, especially if there is any trees to mow around, on straight stretch's it doesnt matter. But for FEL work, it cannot be beaten. I was just wondering as the McCormick seems to have the shuttle, and the JD probably has the power reverser, is the Bolens the hydro?
James

Yes I have used a hydro tractor with the loader, I still much prefer the shuttle as evidenced by the 2 tractors I own with the shuttle and loaders. Everyone has opinions, I am glad they make both so everyone can buy what they like. Like chocolate/vanilla I guess.
 
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Yes I have used a hydro tractor with the loader, I still much prefer the shuttle as evidenced by the 2 tractors I own with the shuttle and loaders. Everyone has opinions, I am glad they make both so everyone can buy what they like. Like chocolate/vanilla I guess.

Good enough. I agree. by the way, I am strictly a vanilla kind of guy:)
James K0UA
 
/ Gear/Shuttle verse Hydro transmission #20  
Now that you have decided to get the hydro just head down to the kioti dealer he will hook you up . lol seriously just read the reviews they give you a honest insite to each tractors tractors strenghts and weekness thats what i did then i started visiting dealers the kioti guy treated me the best good luck enjoy your new tractor
 

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