Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business

   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business #131  
Dougster said:
(although way too many calls are from too far away). Dougster

uh huh
What did I just say above?

I don't think (and I think a lot of others on the thread agree with me) that your major issue is equipment or lack thereof.
It's how you define your business and what you want to do and where you are willing to go.
I think your equipment loses you a very small portion of your jobs, other defining of your business is losing you more or making things too expensive.

JMHO
I hope it all works out for you and I do wish you the very best success.
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business
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SPYDERLK said:
dougster, the 20gpm range gives you the ability to operate SS power attachments.
larry
Hadn't thought about that. But one problem around here is that the four rental places with which I deal will not rent a skidsteer attachment without renting me the skidsteer. This makes any such attachment rental VERY expensive... and it doesn't much matter whether or not my tractor can handle the particular flow requirement.

Further, I don't think I'm going to be buying too many powered skidsteer attachments even if I end up buying a skidsteer. The more useful ones are extremely expensive, heavy and take up a lot of room. Most groundwork functions are more easily duplicated with cheaper tractor attachments. With the possible exception of a hydraulic post hole digger, I doubt they'd ever see sufficient business use to justify owning.

Dougster
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business
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LoneCowboy said:
I don't think (and I think a lot of others on the thread agree with me) that your major issue is equipment or lack thereof. It's how you define your business and what you want to do and where you are willing to go. I think your equipment loses you a very small portion of your jobs, other defining of your business is losing you more or making things too expensive.
Well, maybe so. :rolleyes: The single biggest logistical problem I've got is movement of equipment. It is the number one thorn in my side whether we are talking a job one town away, seven towns away... or seventeen towns away.

I live and operate this business out of a tiny house with a small lot located on a very steep hill in a residential neighborhood... all with a conditional business license. To keep the peace and not have my business license pulled, I've agreed to not power up the Red Beast and start moving trailers into their street loading positions until 8 AM (9 AM on weekends). This typically means I end up arriving at local jobs with the first trailer around 9:30 AM and more distant jobs around 10 AM or later.

Any job over ~15 miles away requires that I move my trailers the day before and tow them home the day after. The idea of moving multiple trailers to some of these rejected jobsites (example: last one yesterday was 48.0 miles each way and 1 hour, 58 minutes each way via non-highway roads according to Google Maps. The "best route" took me right through the City of Boston.) is simply beyond what I am willing to do for a few hundred dollars. I did not start this business to engage in suicide or insanity.

Certainly, using my "last gasp" funds to buy a hefty enough diesel dump truck & trailer set-up that would enable me to move safely and securely on highways and at highway speeds could be a huge plus in terms of extending geographical range. Just one problem: My town's residential zoning bylaws would not allow it. :rolleyes:

Dougster
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business
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BTDT said:
Follow the link to a one man operation, self employed, not afraid to go further than 20 miles, rent equipment when needed, hire help when needed, and I would suspect can pick and choose which jobs he wants to take. I am sure he probably doesn't advertise. I am suprised that he hasn't chimed in, but then what else could he say that the rest of TBN hasn't already said. Good luck with your endeavors.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/s...earchid=921071
BTDT said:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/search.php?searchid=921292
Don't know what went wrong with first link, this one appears to work.
I'm still not getting anything. :confused: Can you post the original poster's name and the subject line?

Dougster
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business #135  
Dougster said:
I'm still not getting anything. :confused: Can you post the original poster's name and the subject line?

Dougster


It was a link to all posts by wroughtn_harv
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business
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BTDT said:
It was a link to all posts by wroughtn_harv
Ahhhhh... okay! :) Well, them's an awful lot of posts (over 4,600 so far)... but a quick scan of them shows why you offered the link. There is clearly relevant information there.

But to change the subject ever so slightly, I'm beginning to really grasp the huge differences between trying to run a one-person, tractor/backhoe-related business here in suburban Boston and trying to do the same anywhere else in the "sane" world. What's standard operating procedure and very good advice anywhere else does not necessarily translate into good, sound advice for here. Brian's last post really drove that home... some of your linked threads as well. :eek:

All I can say is that I can't wait to head north to New Hampshire... the closest thing we've got in New England to a reasonable and sane business environment for a poor, old, semi-retired someone to run a small tractor & backhoe-related operation without going absolutely nutty. :)

Dougster
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business #137  
at least out here in the "territories" where I live, people can still park whatever they want in the yard providing it is registered, Of course tractors are not, but, small dumps, trailers, etc, you can have as many as you want. In my town, they allow one unregistered vehicle parked in the yard, You can have ten more, providing they are in a barn/garage. This, is about the only stipulation they are adamant about...
 
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LarryRB said:
at least out here in the "territories" where I live, people can still park whatever they want in the yard providing it is registered, Of course tractors are not, but, small dumps, trailers, etc, you can have as many as you want. In my town, they allow one unregistered vehicle parked in the yard, You can have ten more, providing they are in a barn/garage. This, is about the only stipulation they are adamant about...
Hi Larry - Hopefully, someday, I will be inviting you up to God's country to see my new barn and the unrestricted (by local regulation) tri-axle diesel dump truck, 24K deck-over trailer and full-size backhoe within. :)

Yes, I know: a CDL. No problemo! I may be old, but I ain't dead yet!!! :)

Dougster
 
   / Getting Philosophical: The paradox of the one-person business #139  
My reading comprehention skills are a little off due to excessive hours at work. The point has already been covered, but here goes... again. (I've been spending a LOT of time at work the last 2 weeks. One of our regular equipment operators had surgery, so I threw myself on the grenade. That way I could get to run a new CAT track hoe we're renting. Been digging footers on a couple buildings we're just coming out of the ground with. It's raining today, so I'm in the office catching up on my regular chores)

I don't agree with the principal of "buy equipment then pursue work to keep it busy". My thing is pursue work, rent equipment to do the job UNTIL such a time as you have enough of a specific type of work to warrant buying equipment to do the job(s).

Example;

My mowing business. We kicked off the season with 3 relatively small tractors/mowers until such a point as I knew a bigger tractor and batwing was going to run almost nonstop. And before I bought, I rented one for a month. Granted, that rent payment could have been an "own payment", but there was a fair amount of certainty that owning was going to be the right move. Conservative approach yes, but a safe approach for an upstart business. Now that I have one 95hp tractor/15' batwing, I was able to pursue more jobs where it "fits". Looking at #2 for next year as soon as signed contracts are in hand.

Bottom line, I try to buy out of necessity and NOT "in hopes of".
 
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Farmwithjunk said:
I don't agree with the principal of "buy equipment then pursue work to keep it busy". My thing is pursue work, rent equipment to do the job UNTIL such a time as you have enough of a specific type of work to warrant buying equipment to do the job(s). {snip} Bottom line, I try to buy out of necessity and NOT "in hopes of".
I think in most cases, that sort of cautious approach would make sense... particularly for a larger, established or growing business wherein you would be adding similar equipment on the margin. Renting initially might make sense if the new work was perceived as a mere blip on the screen and/or if you had a spare operator who found himself with work but machineless.

But in my one-person, one machine situation it would be very hard to compare that growth/expansion scenario to mine. The main point here is that I'm trying to address a very specific issue: The fact that folks are calling me constantly with potential work that is marginally (physically and/or and competitively) outside of the capabilities of my current equipment. This is occurring on the both ends of the equipment range spectrum. To throw some numbers on this, I would say that roughly 1/3 of my calls are comfortably within my equipment's capabilities, 1/3 of my calls would require larger, faster or more powerful equipment, and 1/3 of my calls would require equipment somewhat smaller and lighter to accomplish the task safely and without undue risk or property damage.

Now several folks here feel that the better answer is to continue losing 2/3 of this potential work... and to expand my service area so that the workable 1/3 is still enough to keep me busy. On the other hand, my inclination is to enable my business to capture more of the 2/3rds within my current service area that is now getting away.

Re renting: I am small time... and we are not talking an infinite pool of work or billable time. At some point each month, I need to have enough money in hand to pay my bills. If I bid a job competitively and use rental equipment to do the job, I end up at best with some experience but no real bankable profit to speak of. If things do not go well, I end up with even more experience and a modest loss. If things really go sour on a rental equipment job, I end up with tons of experience... but I go bankrupt. In short, to control risk, renting can never be more than a small part of any one job. For the kinds of jobs and equipment we are talking about possibly buying here, renting would have to be a very short-term option or I am just throwing money away.

Junk - I liked your first recommendation better: Buy nothing, hunker down and simply stay the course for now (if I recall correctly). Renting chews up too much money too fast for me to rely on it for very long.

Dougster
 

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