Give me your welding experiences

   / Give me your welding experiences #101  
Let me post a few suggestions.
Drilling: 1: you have some awfully cheap or dull drills or: 2: as stated above you have "worked harden" the metal 3: You are trying to drill in or near a weld. (a no-no) tensile strength can be 60,000 or more. Nothing special about bed rails, most is made from scraps in Mex. Try using a sharp drill with cutting oil (not WD-40) Proper speed for the size drill you are using and enough force to keep a chip coming. Store brought drills have 59-60 degree tip on them, which is okay for general use. But if you will regrind them at 50 degrees, the drill will cut much better in steel. (refer machinist Handbook)
If you must drill in a welded area heat it up to a straw color, and slowly cool it down. It will still be harder than the parent metal, but it'll help. Use lots of oil and heavy pressure on the bit. Nothing larger than 1/4 to start with.
Also. The habit of dropping your work piece into water, is not really a good one. At least while it is still red hot. Let it return to normal color before doing so, if it is necessary. Dropping very hot metal into water will temper it, which will; make your welds weaker, make it subject stress cracks, make it subject to premature failure of the joint. Most of us know not to touch some thing on our table. But if you share a shop, it's a good idea to keep caulk handy and put "HOT" on things, so folks will leave them alone.
Rods.
As you get older, it gets harder to hold the rod still, I just tell everyone one it's my natural "welder's weave". (don't think they believe it) couple things you can try. 1: and don't ask me why this helps, thousands of welders do it. When you put the rod in your holder, bend it about 45 degree, right at the holder. You can pivot the rod as necessary and keep the holder in a relazed position. Sounds dumb, but try it! 2: You can rest you forearm across your other forearm or hand or whatever. I think you will find, if you try holding the holder with both hands you will wear yourself out in no time. Holding the rod, is no good as it gets HOT!!! Even with welding gloves on, they can burn you. Plus if you sweat in your gloves you can get shocked if touch the bare rod.
Note: Keep in mind guys that electric current is plum lazy!! It always wants to take the easiest and shortest way home. That means we should try and keep that ground clamp closer to the point of weld than we are. I use a 20 foot ground cable and a 40 welding lead on my portable, when I'm welding pipe fence, so I don't have to move the machine so often. I weld in full leather. But my late afternoon they are often wet, more than a few times, I been reminded of my above statement!!
Ouch!!
JD
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #102  
Got find of long with that last one, but wasn't sure I answered your questions Tex!
IF your welder is in good shape, by that I mean no holes in the cables, no chips in the holder, etc. Everything is dry!!!!
It is okay to handle the cables. Even the rod itself can be touched (not recommended) as it is coated. Most old timers will weld without gloves, etc. 20 yrs ago when I was as brown as a old penny. I was know to weld without my shirt, or any safety gear but my helmet, if it was just a quickie for the neighbor. Still have the spots on my arms to prove. I keep waiting for the big "C" to get me!!!! Very few welders are hurt by the electrical part of welding. It's the darn fires they start. Those right angle grinders can throw sparks 40 yards to start a fire : /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Rags can flame up 6 hours after you leave the job. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Just use logical thinking your be okay.
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #103  
I haven't been following this thread. But it looks like it would have been fun to do so.

Welding in the rain: the reason I don't is not because of the shock. It's because I can't see. I'll bet you can't either. Droplets on the glass of the hood fracture the light. It's like trying to weld through a kid's kleidoscope (sp).

The only way you're going to get more than a tingle, and a tingle ain't bad, straightens out some things that might need straightening on occasion, is to become an integral part of the circuit.

If that happens you will know it. And chances are, if you're like me, everyone within a mile or so will know it too. Sometimes an electrical generator can create words that are as strong as it's electricity.

The worst I've been hurt from electrical shock is when welding up something underneath a truck. Invariable when it's too wet for anything else someone will bring a truck over for hitch work etc. More than once I've been underneath, been wet, and became part of the circuit. Natural reaction is to remove oneself from the circuit. So one usually ends up with a bruised if not in with an abrasion from the semi-violent extraction motion.

I once had an employee that I wanted to terminate. But the situation was complicated by a customer relation situation. So I wanted him to quit. Besides that he was big and ugly enough that if he took it wrong I'd had to kill him in self defense. So one day in a moment of genius inspiration I asked him to help me while I welded two pieces of pipe together. I knew he'd screw even that up. Counted on it even.

I put the ground on one side. Asked him if he was holding it tight and touched the other piece with the stinger. Bigger'n Santa's heart he wasn't holding it really really tight. He became an integral part of the circuit.

I had heck getting a arc to start. He had heck trying to get away from us, me, welder, pipe. I kept trying. He kept cussing. Bad words. You'd thought he was family instead of an employee the way he was talking.

I stopped. He quit on the spot. I looked around the shop. I swear everyone of those guys looked like they needed to pass gas real bad but the prettiest girl in town was standing right in front of them.

When he was gone they were able to bust out laughing. Of course as big and ugly as he was not a one had the whatevers to do so while he might have been within earshot.

Point being. Getting shocked is comparable to catching a dingle berry in your shirt. Cowboy up. You'll survive.

Burns: not getting burned is a self teaching situation. Just about the time you think you've got it down you'll discover a new way to make blisters. Over even worse, you'll rediscover an old way to get your skin to peel back and give you a demonstration on how we're made in layers.

Sparks: whether from a grinder, torch, or a saw they will ruin glass, paint, eyesight, and friendships. If you're not sure exactly where those sparks will end up don't start them.

Fires: All fires are started by either plumbers, roofers, or weldors. If you don't believe me, watch the news or read the paper. It's easy to understand plumbers and roofers starting fires. But us weldors ought to be smarter.

Welding: it's about taking two pieces of metal and making them one. There's only three ways of accomplishing this. One is fasteners. That's why we have mechanics. Another is adhesives. Adhesives came about because of the inefficiency of mechanics. Then there's welding. That's when you melt two pieces of metal so that when they cool they are now one.

The best weld is a forge weld. All other forms of welding strive to be forge welds. If it's done right the weld is the strongest part of the joint.

It's not an adhesive. It isn't about gluing no matter how it looks from the hood when using a mig. It's about melting two pieces into one while adding additional filler material to compensate for material lost to the melting. If you're not melting both pieces you're not welding.
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #104  
Nah Harv!!
You know welders never start fires, we just get the blame! First thing the Fire Dept wants to know when then they investigate. "Was there any welder on the job site?" /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #105  
Ya know Harv, I have been reading these forums for a while now and don't say much, but I have to now. You are kinda "wordy" Thank God for your kinda "wordy". I have been laughing my butt off for the last 5 minutes, now I have to send your last "wordy " comments to my bro-in-law who is also a welder so he can laugh his butt off and I know he will relate to most of what you said, His wife will also probably read it and laugh her butt off. Man , You are better than Richard Simmons. keep up the "wordy" responses, I am quite sure I am not the only one here who needs butt reduction therapy... thanks for all the laughs, and serious stuff too... John /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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tom i await those pictures
as to the hot stuff - i dont have a problem with it - the first post is that it is hot 15 mins after welding - i dont mind waiting for it to cool its just i didnt expect it to take that long /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
i hadnt thought about the issue of electric shock - bit of an eye opener really i had presumed that as long as the welder was out of the rain i was safe in it /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
had a bit of a moment yesterday aswell i had just welded a real thin bit if metal and it was glowing red. i touched it to move it otherwise it would stick to the bench and my glove just errupted into flames - as soon as i moved my hand ayay it died out but it was a bit shocking considering these were supposed to be fireproof gloves /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
harv great advice /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #107  
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Harv, you would've made a great Texas Statesman. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. You are the "Mark Twain" of weldors! Your pipe holder story was a hoot. Kinda reminds me of the old "hold that wire while I pull the starter rope" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #108  
Mith,
I know you're across the big pond, but try to locate some gloves made by Weldas, the ones made with ComfoFlex. They have padding in them that absorbs moisture from sweat but also absorbs the heat better. They are thicker and take some getting use to, but they are #1 in my book.
And yes gloves will flame up, but it soon extinguishes by itself, especially after I have flung it off on the floor /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If any part of your body touches what you are welding on, you are also the same as that ground cable, and if you grab that rod and it has a crack in the coating, well lets say you'll let us know tomorrow how it feels /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

NEVER touch RED metal.......it's HOT.....move it with your hammer if need be.
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #109  
thanks JD


tom
 
   / Give me your welding experiences #110  
Here come my first 4 welds
Just some scrap that was laying around,,,
Put together randomly

Feel free to giggle at them..

I actually seemed to get one of them decent looking but then the last weld was actually worse...

You try to figure out the order I did these in...

tom

The metals here are appx 1/4 to 5/16 angle and one larger piece of appx 3/8 plate that I attached the angle too.


How's your progress Mith ?
 

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