GL5030 V. DK55

powerstroke2000 · Feb 21, 2006

Just wondering where you have to go to get parts and service on the Tractor King and what for warrenty do they offer. I hope they are better than the other Chinese tractors that Farm and Fleet sold they had oil pans under them on the show room because they leaked so bad.

Bob_Skurka · Feb 21, 2006

Album10 wrote:( I just did a little reaearch on the Rural King Dargo and Skurka are tying their reputations to. The info didnt look promising guys from the posts i read in another chat room??? But no one here in on tbn will judge your decisions if you choose to upgrade from your Kubotas and step up to a Rural King.. )

Go back and re-read my words. I never recommended the Rural King, nor did I tie my reputation to any of the brands mentioned in this thread. I simply used Gambel77's own words, and used his own illustrated example to point out that there are better values, bigger tractors, stronger machines, more features. Get your facts straight.

Powerstroke wrote:( Just wondering where you have to go to get parts and service on the Tractor King )

Go to the Rural King dealership. The tractors are made by Foton, a company with a far better quality reputation than Jinma. Not the best tractor on the market in terms of quality control, but considering you can get one for $9000 to $10,000 less, you can certianly use a few of those saving dollars for repairs should they be needed.

Mith wrote: ( I expect most customers compare price, which is the point Bob was making with the Foton, you can get way more for your money with a Foton than a Kioti, and the origional post was saying how you can get more for your money with a Kioti than a Kubota.

I could compare features of tractors I wanted all day long, but at the end of the day I think price would have a massive baring on the choice. Thats the whole point of this post, saying how Kioti is cheaper for what you get thatn Kubota)

You are correct, that was the whole point to Gambel77's post, and that was simiply the point to my post. Why such an obvious point evades some people is beyond belief.

RedDog asked: ( what model Kubota my tractor competes against? And while were at it, what model Kubota competes against the Tractor King?)

Honestly I don't think Kubota makes a tractor that would compete with either of those tractors. But that goes to my prior post that it is really pointless to compare tractor to tractor when in fact matching tasks to tractors is a far better thing to do when you are looking for the best tractor for your needs.

albmn10 · Feb 21, 2006

Bob , its called Sarcasm... You need to get over yourself.. Just get tired of seeing you try to belittle folks on here, it gets real old..

Bob_Skurka · Feb 21, 2006

( Bob , its called Sarcasm... You need to get over yourself.. Just get tired of seeing you try to belittle folks on here, it gets real old.. )

No, actually it is not called Sarcasm. I suggest you look the word up in the dictionary. As for what I did, all I did was exactly what Gambel77 did. I used his example. I simply applied a different brand.

RedDog · Feb 21, 2006

Honestly I don't think Kubota makes a tractor that would compete with either of those tractors. 

Really. You do not think the M6800 competes head to head with the DK65? I do.

I also think the M8200 competes with the "mighty" Tractor King. I do not know what the new Bota model numbers are. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 matching tasks to tractors is a far better thing to do when you are looking for the best tractor for your needs.


I believe there are numerous task they could be compared to. Ex: Plowing, discing, field mowing, loader work, just to name some.

RedDog

albmn10 · Feb 21, 2006

Bob, please try to be a little more humble in your approach next time.. Im not here to pass judgement on you, i actually do respect some of your advise you have given to others, sometimes you do overstep your bounds, sometimes we all do...

Av8r3400 · Feb 21, 2006

( BTW, as I don't visit the Kubota forum, does this bickering go on over there also? )

No.

HODAK · Feb 21, 2006

Ok - I actually found the Rural King / Tractor King website. Warranty = 6 months. Now I'm beginning to see the value of these things. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif That's sarcasm - and now I'm going to bed. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif As with any other evening, I can't wait to see what tomorrow will bring. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MossRoad · Feb 21, 2006

I think that's quite enough, folks. No further good will come of this discussion. All parties have beaten it to death and the name calling has started. If I had moderator privs in this forum I would have closed it quite a while ago. Best to make your point and let it stand for what it is than to keep trying to convince those that are not convincable. This goes for both sides of this argument. Let it go, get over it, move on, please.

thcri · Feb 21, 2006

( You say you see no comparison in looks. So does that mean you think they look similar or not? I am comparing looks, and I believe they look very similar DK's vs new M's.)

No I don't see any comparison.

( And everytime a Chevy guy comes into our office and bad mouths another product we pretty much tell him to leave. 

I guess we had better quit talking now. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RedDog )

As usual you didn't understand what I was saying to Gamble about his aproach to sales. My comment was in regards to selling by bad mouthing other products. And if you do want to get into in regards to Ford versus Chevy you probably don't want to go there. I own over 45 pickups and vans. That is both Chevy and Ford. All are tracked for maintenance and service. You might be surprised about which one has the least expenses.

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BTW, as I don't visit the Kubota forum, does this bickering go on over there also? [/quote?

NO the Kubota people respect all others along with John Deere and New Holland. In fact they all get along together. This whole thread started by Gamble posting pics of two tractors that are not apples to apples and then others making uncalled for remarks about the Kubota and in sense saying the Kioti is better than the Kubota. I am glad you guys have your Kioti but don't tell me it is the better tractor out there by making comments like where's the rest of the tractor, where's the weight or for the price of them you would think you would get more. And the statement that Kubota copied Kioti's design.

MessickFarmEqu · Feb 21, 2006

( NO the Kubota people respect all others along with John Deere and New Holland. In fact they all get along together. This whole thread started by Gamble posting pics of two tractors that are not apples to apples and then others making uncalled for remarks about the Kubota and in sense saying the Kioti is better than the Kubota. I am glad you guys have your Kioti but don't tell me it is the better tractor out there by making comments like where's the rest of the tractor, where's the weight or for the price of them you would think you would get more. And the statement that Kubota copied Kioti's design.
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Amen. Apparently some people can dish it out but they sure can't take it. I think Bob approached this perfectly and made one heck of a statement doing it.

TBDonnelly · Feb 22, 2006

Amen. Apparently some people.... 

Sorry Messick, now I'm really nauseous....... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Please see Mossroads post.

Don

Dargo · Feb 22, 2006

I agree with you. This whole thread started out like "My Hyundai is better than your Lexus". Others tried to point out that the two are not the same and others then got their feelings hurt and started personal attacks. It's like a broken album sometime, the same thing over and over etc.

Thorndike · Feb 22, 2006

Amen to Bob! But I think I'll buy my next tractor by the pound!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

daedong · Feb 22, 2006

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LBrown59 made me do it

bluechip · Feb 22, 2006

Dargo, As good as Kioti is, Iwouldn't compare it to Lexus and I sure wouldnt say a Kubota is a Hyundai /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

My opinion is that Gamble post was a valid comparison of two tractors that the typical buyer would compare. believe me, the typical consumer that walks onto my lot typically says he wants x horsepower and how much is it. He hasn't read the book that tells him what is a compact tractor and what is a utility tractor and that it is against the law when considering one to consider the other.

Kubota has some low cost models and I know that is what I am up against. I even had a guy said that his Kubota had a "semi-shuttle" as he described it it sounded like a gear transmission with 2nd and Reverse lined up on the gearshift a(hey we have that on our chinese tractors and I didn't even know it!) and I was quoting 12x12 synchro shuttle.

In the trenches comparisons are made on a lot of levels. Currently if someone is looking at 45HP or 55hp, Kioti is limited in that they only have a "deluxe" tractor to offer, lots of features that you can buy for the price of the other guys tractor, that according to posters on this thread cannot even be compared.

I do agree with Bob, asking alot of questions instead of talking will help make sure he is aware of the features I offer that fit his needs.

It is obvious that some of these posts were designed to dig at some group of people (for example the Lexus Hyundai comparison). but boys will be boys.

One area where I feel extra weight on a tractor is benefitial is in loader work and unless I missed something that has not been mentioned. Most of my customers want a tractor to brush mow and move hay bales, perhaps a little digging now and then.

The point of the whole thing is there ARE differences in tractors and they are not yet a generic product, but our buying public does not always SEE the difference and unfortunately we as salespeople don't often do the best job of educating them before trying to close a sale.

Kubota makes a nice range of equipment, Kioti has a nice group of tractors as well, but if you had to find a Kioit to compete with the GL5030 it HAS to be the DK55 its what we have.

Now I wish I had brought my camera to the local farm show so I could compare a DK45 with a certain red 45hp tractor I saw, It was much less trator and for more money....
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JerryG · Feb 22, 2006

I for one didn't see anything wrong with the way this thread started. That rapidly chanced. As Moss said it needs to be shut down now.

IH3444 · Feb 22, 2006

Donny, Sounds like a plan, that 6 months warranty is quite the deal maker........... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif