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GL5030 V. DK55
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Here is the front end, showing the suitcase weights (which are included in the price of this tractor). It is hard to compete on the weight, value, size with Tractor King.
Fact of the matter is that anyone can built a big bulky tractor and offer it at a reasonable price. Tractor King's are proof that you can get a lot of weight, a lot of cast iron, and a decent cab for a great price.
Now is this a 'fair' comparision to the DK55? The price is lower. It has features similar to those found on the DK55. Plus a nice cab with heater and AC. Perkins engine too. Bigger, heavier. Dual rear remotes. Big strong iron axles. No question this is a utility tractor not a CUT.
Fact of the matter is that anyone can built a big bulky tractor and offer it at a reasonable price. Tractor King's are proof that you can get a lot of weight, a lot of cast iron, and a decent cab for a great price.
Now is this a 'fair' comparision to the DK55? The price is lower. It has features similar to those found on the DK55. Plus a nice cab with heater and AC. Perkins engine too. Bigger, heavier. Dual rear remotes. Big strong iron axles. No question this is a utility tractor not a CUT.
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Just to clear things up, are we now comparing a 82hp tractor to a 55hp tractor? I was at least trying to stay in the same hp range. I understand Bob that you are trying to validate your point about money and "beef" but lets at least compare fruit to fruit!
And I don't know about the rest of you guys but the front end on that Farm King looks awful thin...could just be the angle...
And I don't know about the rest of you guys but the front end on that Farm King looks awful thin...could just be the angle...
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Just from reading the thread, it looked to me that you were emphasizing weight and price while also talking about power. From what he posted, it sure looks like considerably more tractor for the money which is the point you seemed to be making. I believe that you will have the wrath of the entire Chinese tractor section if you try to say that their tractor is "thin" when it weighs considerably more than your offering and is a minimum of $5000 less money for a lot more hp and tractor. Besides, unless I read it incorrectly, it is powered by Perkins. Isn't that what the higher end Kioti tractors use?
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Actually it seems pretty fair to me. I suppose it depends on exactly what you want to compare. I was comparing size & weight as a component of the value you get for the price. Isn't that what you did?
The Tractor King, with loader, cab, dual remotes, Air Conditioning, Heater, and Front End Loader is in the same price range as the DK55 so I figured it was an Apples-to-Apples comparions. Further it is the same class of tractor, being that it is a Utility Tractor and certainly NOT a Compact Utility Tractor. So being the same type, and in the same price range, it strikes me that it is a pretty good Apples-to-Apples comparison.
For a Utility Tractor in the Low-Mid $20K price range, it is bigger badder and meaner than anything else out there that I have seen. It certainly has plenty of features so it would compare well with the features of the DK55 Utility Tractor your put up against the Compact Utility Tractor.
Actually I think I did a better job of staying with the same type of fruit than you did. And I showed one heck of a value too.
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The Tractor King, with loader, cab, dual remotes, Air Conditioning, Heater, and Front End Loader is in the same price range as the DK55 so I figured it was an Apples-to-Apples comparions. Further it is the same class of tractor, being that it is a Utility Tractor and certainly NOT a Compact Utility Tractor. So being the same type, and in the same price range, it strikes me that it is a pretty good Apples-to-Apples comparison.
For a Utility Tractor in the Low-Mid $20K price range, it is bigger badder and meaner than anything else out there that I have seen. It certainly has plenty of features so it would compare well with the features of the DK55 Utility Tractor your put up against the Compact Utility Tractor.
Actually I think I did a better job of staying with the same type of fruit than you did. And I showed one heck of a value too.
JMHO
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Ok guys before you look at these I am not posting these to start any arguments or whatnot about any particular brand of tractor. I am just posting these pics so take them as you will. )</font>
Well what you say you didn't want to do, you did. Now the question is deep down inside did you really want to start a war?? No you didn't make any real bad comments about the other tractor but the way it was set up, others did.
As a dealer of any product you need to know something, Sell your tractor for what it is and leave the others out of it. I own a large business, I and my partner are Ford fans. And everytime a Chevy guy comes into our office and bad mouths another product we pretty much tell him to leave. That is why I didn't buy a Kubota in the first place. That is about how I felt about your post especially now when there is discussion about you comparing apples to oranges. For all I know they may be comparable, don't know but the fact people are contesting makes me wonder. If doing a comparison why only a Kubota, why not other makes? And it should probably be out in the General forum, but you put it in the Kioti forum as a place for all to knock the other brand. Did you just loose a sale from the Kubota dealer? Again you being a dealer makes it tough for you to do the comparison as you are a Kioti dealer and your naturally going to be bias.
Just constructive criticism from a consumer to a sales person.
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Well what you say you didn't want to do, you did. Now the question is deep down inside did you really want to start a war?? No you didn't make any real bad comments about the other tractor but the way it was set up, others did.
As a dealer of any product you need to know something, Sell your tractor for what it is and leave the others out of it. I own a large business, I and my partner are Ford fans. And everytime a Chevy guy comes into our office and bad mouths another product we pretty much tell him to leave. That is why I didn't buy a Kubota in the first place. That is about how I felt about your post especially now when there is discussion about you comparing apples to oranges. For all I know they may be comparable, don't know but the fact people are contesting makes me wonder. If doing a comparison why only a Kubota, why not other makes? And it should probably be out in the General forum, but you put it in the Kioti forum as a place for all to knock the other brand. Did you just loose a sale from the Kubota dealer? Again you being a dealer makes it tough for you to do the comparison as you are a Kioti dealer and your naturally going to be bias.
Just constructive criticism from a consumer to a sales person.
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I am selling my product, and the GL5030 is what I have to sell it against, why you ask, because that is what the other orange guys in my area sell againts the DK55. I don't have every other make of tractor on my lot or at my disposal to make photo comparisons with. I kept two factors in mind when comparing these tractors, PTO HP and $$. Comparing a 82hp tractor to a 55hp tractor in my mind is stretching a little too far. Murph, I didn't post this in the Kioti forum to bash anyone, in fact thats what I was hoping wouldn't happen. I have not lost any sales either...I am installing a hydraulic chipper shredder onto the L5030 and thats the only reason I have it at my disposal.
Bottom line gentlemen is when customers, who know nothing about tractors, start to compare they look at two things first, hp and $$. Once they have that narrowed down they hopefully start to compare feature for feature. A person looking at a DK55 is not going to look at a Farm King 82hp tractor, but is MUCH more likely to look at a GL5030 or even an M5000...
Thats why this comparison made some sense to me. Not because we can sit here and disect DK55vGL5030 to death but because people do compare these machines, they don't however compare an 82hp tractor to a 55hp tractor. Does that make sense...can you find some logic in that?
Bottom line gentlemen is when customers, who know nothing about tractors, start to compare they look at two things first, hp and $$. Once they have that narrowed down they hopefully start to compare feature for feature. A person looking at a DK55 is not going to look at a Farm King 82hp tractor, but is MUCH more likely to look at a GL5030 or even an M5000...
Thats why this comparison made some sense to me. Not because we can sit here and disect DK55vGL5030 to death but because people do compare these machines, they don't however compare an 82hp tractor to a 55hp tractor. Does that make sense...can you find some logic in that?
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Thanks for the pics..........
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DK55 = $25,067.00
...but it doesn't have a lift valve at the rear, doesn't have 2 aux. valves standard, doesn't have a self leveling front end loader available, doesn't have a 12x12 transmission and doesn't spec out ANY better than the DK55...
I don't want to start a fight here guys, but just look at the specs...I know which tractor I would want, the one that combines the most standard features with the best specs possible. )</font>
Ok call me silly, but you are trying to define your fight in such a way as to show you have the best value but then you change the rules when I show another tractor that is also a great value?
Doesn't seem fair to me that you would do that.
You showed a UTILITY tractor and compared it to a COMPACT tractor.
You brought up PRICE
You brought up FEATURES
You brought up WEIGHT
You equated all that to VALUE
I showed a UTILITY tractor that outspecs your UTILITY tractor.
I brought up a lower price.
I brought up lots of features (including a cab and front end loader)
I brought up MORE weight.
Why is it unfair to compare the Tractor King? (made by Foton)
Are you saying that it is not as good a value as the tractor on your lot? It seems like a better value. It costs less, weighs more, has more power, and more features.
On thing I see is that some dealers try to compare tractors and as long as "their" tractor looks better then they are happy, but when someone shows them a better tractor for less money then those same dealers claim that the comparision is unfair.
Well I think that is boloney and you trying to change the rules is unfair! I'm playing by your rules. There were a few posts in this thread that said more weight is more important; I posted a tractor with MORE weight. There were posts that talked about size; I posted a BIGGER tractor. You talked about money; I beat your PRICE.
These are your words: </font><font color="blue" class="small">( I know which tractor I would want, the one that combines the most standard features with the best specs possible. )</font>
Based on your criteria, you should be driving a Tractor King.
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DK55 = $25,067.00
...but it doesn't have a lift valve at the rear, doesn't have 2 aux. valves standard, doesn't have a self leveling front end loader available, doesn't have a 12x12 transmission and doesn't spec out ANY better than the DK55...
I don't want to start a fight here guys, but just look at the specs...I know which tractor I would want, the one that combines the most standard features with the best specs possible. )</font>
Ok call me silly, but you are trying to define your fight in such a way as to show you have the best value but then you change the rules when I show another tractor that is also a great value?
Doesn't seem fair to me that you would do that.
You showed a UTILITY tractor and compared it to a COMPACT tractor.
You brought up PRICE
You brought up FEATURES
You brought up WEIGHT
You equated all that to VALUE
I showed a UTILITY tractor that outspecs your UTILITY tractor.
I brought up a lower price.
I brought up lots of features (including a cab and front end loader)
I brought up MORE weight.
Why is it unfair to compare the Tractor King? (made by Foton)
Are you saying that it is not as good a value as the tractor on your lot? It seems like a better value. It costs less, weighs more, has more power, and more features.
On thing I see is that some dealers try to compare tractors and as long as "their" tractor looks better then they are happy, but when someone shows them a better tractor for less money then those same dealers claim that the comparision is unfair.
Well I think that is boloney and you trying to change the rules is unfair! I'm playing by your rules. There were a few posts in this thread that said more weight is more important; I posted a tractor with MORE weight. There were posts that talked about size; I posted a BIGGER tractor. You talked about money; I beat your PRICE.
These are your words: </font><font color="blue" class="small">( I know which tractor I would want, the one that combines the most standard features with the best specs possible. )</font>
Based on your criteria, you should be driving a Tractor King.
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