Global Warming?

[houstonscott]

While we wait for the new renewable (what ever that is) clean unicorn energy Obama is developing for us all. LOL. I had no idea the catskills mountains were such a polluted mess. I suggest you move, it you live in the catskills, I know a guy there who says its a polluted mess, say Cuba or Scotland were people are free and have great healthcare was suggested to me by same guy.

I would love to see an honest, totally unbiased study of what it would cost to make a productive family of 4 with a garage, a/c, air compressor, electric range, dryer, TV's, back up heat if you use gas/oil/coal/wood for primary etc... self sufficient 100% of the time while still selling to the grid and see if the universe is going to live long enough to get back the investment assuming no subsidies from anywhere. I'd bet not.

 

[Rob-D]

While we wait for the new renewable (what ever that is) clean unicorn energy Obama is developing for us all. LOL. I had no idea the catskills mountains were such a polluted mess. I suggest you move, it you live in the catskills, I know a guy there who says its a polluted mess, say Cuba or Scotland were people are free and have great healthcare was suggested to me by same guy.

Read the incongruity of the statement you just made, it's barely legible.

 

[Cat_Driver]

It is still mind boggling how many people wanna completely blame Bush for the WMA's when Democrats and Republicans, and at least 100 other countries believed that that there were WMA's
Actually I am still not convinced there were not any.
There is a huge desert out there that they still could be hiding under, or could have easily crossed into another Islamic state.
But I am sure you are so smart you have a logical excuse for that possibility

Well you can bet the farm that ****** had WMD's - BECAUSE WE SOLD THEM TO HIM.

How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To ******

.........reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia.

Classified US Defence Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.

 

[Rob-D]

Those days don't have to be over and for example on the "classic mistake, which of course is your opinion, which of course carries the same weight as mine or Bozo the clown's, they are all opinions based on what you perceive from your experiences in life. How much did it cost in real dollars to get you off the grid and how much is subsidized? If a million people decided tomorrow to do what you've done, how much would it cost them, the taxpayers, etc... and how much fossil fuel would be burned to create their utopias in order to save burning fossil fuels? And in the end, worldwide, we wouldn't see the difference. Regardless, unless China, India and all the other huge polluters don't stop, it'll hardly matter.

How do you think this planet is going to handle another 50 or 100 years of the fossil fuel pollution we are now getting? It's not my opinion it's a fact. I posted several links showing the massive pollution this planet absorbs.

I paid for my off grid system and put it in myself. My electric coop gave out grants and my interitie was free with me also putting it in. Now I am increasing the panels I just bought US made "B" panels (2880 watts) on Ebay sold in the US for under 90 cents a watt before incentives, that's about the cost of a top end big screen TV that my wholesale club sells daily.
The total cost before incentives for my complete set up is around 15k, less than a cheap car. With incentives I save about 5k.

Next I'm making my own wind turbines and also a micro-hydro system for my stream. When I'm done I should be around 15KW.

So because someone else in the world pollutes we should too? I think I have a personal responsibility to pollute as little as possible but you do what you want, I can't change that but the last thing I'm going to say or think is that Randy pollutes becausee China pollutes so I'm going to pollute too.

 

[houstonscott]

Every item on the UN list was found in Iraq. And there were hundreds of items. It was all found and they used chemical weapons on our troops. Look it up. Just because the tea bagger on CNN say they didn't find any doesn't make it true, and I wouldn't repeat the media's lie, it makes you sound uniformed and one of duped masses.

HS

Well you can bet the farm that ****** had WMD's - BECAUSE WE SOLD THEM TO HIM.

How Did Iraq Get Its WMD? - We Sold Them To ******

.........reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia.

Classified US Defence Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.

 

[Rob-D]

Every item on the UN list was found in Iraq. And there were hundreds of items. It was all found and they used chemical weapons on our troops. Look it up. Just because the tea bagger on CNN say they didn't find any doesn't make it true, and I wouldn't repeat the media's lie, it makes you sound uniformed and one of duped masses.

HS

Did you actually read the link he posted and you supported?
First it was from 2002 and secondly it uses Ritter as the defining source showing the WMD's were very likely not there.
Iraq had chemical weapons, we knew this, he was gassing the Kurds when Rumsfeld was there! Chemical weapons are not nuclear weapons, we went to Iraq for oil just like we went to Kuwait. If our intentions were to liberate a people we would have gone into Tibet to liberate the Buddhists... we gave China favorite trade status, there was no oil in Tibet!
Rob

 

[Tollster]

Every item on the UN list was found in Iraq. And there were hundreds of items. It was all found and they used chemical weapons on our troops. Look it up. Just because the tea bagger on CNN say they didn't find any doesn't make it true, and I wouldn't repeat the media's lie, it makes you sound uniformed and one of duped masses.

HS

Prove it, or support it, rather than spew it Tex!

 

[houstonscott]

Chlorine bombings in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many went to Landstuhl after the attacks. It's not hard to get informed and I don't want to do your homework for you. I am tired of the miss informed and uninformed spewing. Look at the UN's list of WMD's that were missing in Iraq. Everyone and each one were found. While not in Walmart quantities they were all found. Including 500 tons of yellow cake. Look that up too and what it's for, then really think about how much 500 tons is.....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp

HS

 

[lilranch2001]

You made statements you can't support.

Yes, we all need fossil fuel now but the answer is to use that energy wisely to make alternatives that will then make alternatives. There are plants now making wind and solar from wind and solar.

Rob

Question.....

What energy system created these new technologies?

DER!

 

[lilranch2001]

Did you actually read the link he posted and you supported?
First it was from 2002 and secondly it uses Ritter as the defining source showing the WMD's were very likely not there.
Iraq had chemical weapons, we knew this, he was gassing the Kurds when Rumsfeld was there! Chemical weapons are not nuclear weapons, we went to Iraq for oil just like we went to Kuwait. If our intentions were to liberate a people we would have gone into Tibet to liberate the Buddhists... we gave China favorite trade status, there was no oil in Tibet!
Rob

I am curious..... Just how much oil has the US gotten from Iraq?

 

[crash325]

You made statements you can't support. Problem is I do support what I say - Not with stupid links. Just old fashion common sense.

Yes, we all need fossil fuel now but the answer is to use that energy wisely to make alternatives that will then make alternatives. There are plants now making wind and solar from wind and solar.

Rob

We have gone down this road before. Remember the Asbestos mines, the coal mines, using recycled lumber, steel, on & on. Lead being recycled in Mexico, and yes it was killing people, but that didn't stop anything

So Ebay has a magic source for American made Solar panels with a 25 year guarantee.
Where do the magic 20 year batteries come from. All of us would like to have some. Bet you could sell a whole bunch of the to GM & Toyota. They are having a lot of trouble with their 10 year batteries.
"My interitie was Free" - Stolen from your Company???? Got more some other folks would like to have a Free Interitie???

$15,000 total - Strange a friend of mine paid $30,000 + a $10,000 Gov Re bait, For a lot less system than you claim to have.
Maybe there is a lot more cancer now than ever before, People are living longer and it is being diagnosed better & sooner.

When you want to tell me I am wrong, don't come up with some DA link. I have been in this world way too long. I Believe in Practical Solutions, not some pie in the Sky, dream world BS.

"Enough for now - be happy in your Dream World. I know your mind is made up you are right and those that don't agree are wrong.
Jim

 

[Rob-D]

Question.....

What energy system created these new technologies?

DER!

The transistor was invented in 1949 by Bell Labs!

Using fossil fuels to develop new technologies that don't rely on them is also a very good idea in my view. That's not what is happening here, are you using fossil fuels to enable you create a net zero environment?.... I didn't think so.

 

[Rob-D]

We have gone down this road before. Remember the Asbestos mines, the coal mines, using recycled lumber, steel, on & on. Lead being recycled in Mexico, and yes it was killing people, but that didn't stop anything

So Ebay has a magic source for American made Solar panels with a 25 year guarantee.
Where do the magic 20 year batteries come from. All of us would like to have some. Bet you could sell a whole bunch of the to GM & Toyota. They are having a lot of trouble with their 10 year batteries.
"My interitie was Free" - Stolen from your Company???? Got more some other folks would like to have a Free Interitie???

$15,000 total - Strange a friend of mine paid $30,000 + a $10,000 Gov Re bait, For a lot less system than you claim to have.
Maybe there is a lot more cancer now than ever before, People are living longer and it is being diagnosed better & sooner.

When you want to tell me I am wrong, don't come up with some DA link. I have been in this world way too long. I Believe in Practical Solutions, not some pie in the Sky, dream world BS.

"Enough for now - be happy in your Dream World. I know your mind is made up you are right and those that don't agree are wrong.
Jim

Yes, Ebay has "B" and "A" grade US panels for 90 cents a watt. Do a search.

Batteries last as long as the number of cycles and depth of charge don't go below a specific point. So batteries that only come on line when the grid goes down (like mine) last a very long time. They stay at an optimal state of charge.

My interite was not stolen... geeze. It was a grant that everyone in the coop was offered. It was done for several reasons and my interite benefits everyone in the coop by reducing the energy my coop has to buy which is passed on to the end users like my neighbors.

I have no idea what your neighbor did or does, his abilities, know how, or if he even installed the system himself. That's what I did and that's what it cost me.

Judging by your comments you have no idea what alternate energy is about, what it entails or how it works. I don't have to give you a link anyone with a basic knowledge of alternative systems will tell very much the same thing I'm telling you.

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

We have gone down this road before. Remember the Asbestos mines, the coal mines, using recycled lumber, steel, on & on. Lead being recycled in Mexico, and yes it was killing people, but that didn't stop anything

So Ebay has a magic source for American made Solar panels with a 25 year guarantee.
Where do the magic 20 year batteries come from. All of us would like to have some. Bet you could sell a whole bunch of the to GM & Toyota. They are having a lot of trouble with their 10 year batteries.
"My interitie was Free" - Stolen from your Company???? Got more some other folks would like to have a Free Interitie???

$15,000 total - Strange a friend of mine paid $30,000 + a $10,000 Gov Re bait, For a lot less system than you claim to have.
Maybe there is a lot more cancer now than ever before, People are living longer and it is being diagnosed better & sooner.

When you want to tell me I am wrong, don't come up with some DA link. I have been in this world way too long. I Believe in Practical Solutions, not some pie in the Sky, dream world BS.

"Enough for now - be happy in your Dream World. I know your mind is made up you are right and those that don't agree are wrong.
Jim

Originally Posted by Rob-D

You made statements you can't support. Problem is I do support what I say - Not with stupid links. Just old fashion common sense.

Yes, we all need fossil fuel now but the answer is to use that energy wisely to make alternatives that will then make alternatives. There are plants now making wind and solar from wind and solar.

Rob

Give me the post number where I said this.

And what "dream world", I'm off the grid, live with it, it's not a dream it's a reality!

Rob

 

[lilranch2001]

The transistor was invented in 1949 by Bell Labs!

Using fossil fuels to develop new technologies that don't rely on them is also a very good idea in my view. That's not what is happening here, are you using fossil fuels to enable you create a net zero environment?.... I didn't think so.

What does the transistor and Bell Labs have to do with my question?
Seems like you are trying to pull (crap) out of your azz.......

And actually as far as using fossel fuels to enable ME to create a net zero environment.... I do not intend to.
I think I am a little to old to do that, but my brainiac grandaughter might.

If you want to have a net zero impact on the environment, why dont you go live in a cave.
Otherwise, I dont wanna hear your bull, to be perfectly honest.
I am sure you will move to said cave just as soon as Gore n Obama does.